Quote (brmv @ Apr 3 2011 04:31am)

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preconceived?

why is it that plenty of countries have banned (american) pitbulls? just for fun?
and in many countries which have not outright banned them, they have to be leashed and muzzled
pitbulls are definitely more dangerous and naturally aggressive than rottweilers (which are banned in a number of states of the usa as far as i know)

Quote (Psycho- @ 3 Apr 2011 10:21)

because when trained to do bad things they are excellent at it. a pit bull is simply going to destroy anything it attacks due to the way they are built. this has nothing to do with them naturally being over aggressive to humans however they are a bit more aggressive towards other animals. they are fully capable of normal dog that at best might need better manners around other animals which can really be said about any other dog in general due to their instincts.

at best you can say they are more dangerous but at the end of the day a dog is a dog and every last one of them is capable of being dangerous to you without a responsible owner.

Quote (brmv @ Apr 3 2011 04:57am)

you just forgot the word "significantly" before "more dangerous"

you are forgetting that they have been bred to be fighting dogs
just as doberman pinschers have been bred to be vicious protective guard dogs
and while you might get the odd non-aggressive pitbull it is not their nature
certain traits have been honed over many generations in dog breeds
and in pitbulls one of the traits is aggressiveness
yes you will find the odd golden retriever which has been made bad by treatment
but i know which dog i would prefer to see running around off the leash

nothing against someone wanting any legal dog-breed as personal pet
but anyone who gets a pitbull as a family pet is plainly stupid
and i do applaud the efforts of law makers in many countries to eliminate dangerous dog breeds

note: if someone likes the style of bull terriers there is http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/breeds/standard.aspx?id=3063
(not that i would pick one of them as family dog either because they are very much one person dogs but they are mild compared to the pitbull)

Quote (JEB90 @ Apr 3 2011 01:28am)

So my kid and I are finishing up some baseball practice today, when two guys, a woman, and two little kids come up with their unleashed pitbull. The dog proceeds to run straight at my kid growling. I yell at the dog, and it proceeds to come over at me and growl. At this point I ask the douchebag who is just standing their watching to "control your dog, please." Admittedly, I didn't use my "friendly" voice, but I was still pretty surprised by his response of "she's friendly"--while she continued growling at us. He then went on--without taking one step toward controlling his dog--to tell me she's never bitten anyone. He didn't take me seriously until I told them we were not going to be the first and grabbed a bat out out equipment bag, positioning myself between the dog and my kid--who was a bit scared the whole time--and staring right at him. Now naturally, at this point he apologized and ran over to put the legally required leash on his dog. Oh...wait...no--he proceeded to swear at me and tell what an idiot I was for overreacting to a pitbull growling at my kid. I'm glad I didn't have to bash the dog in the head, but I wouldn't have minded introducing this yahoo to Mr. Easton.

Anyway, what is it that makes people think that--since their dog doesn't bite them--it won't bite other people? And why in the world do they expect other people to take that chance? I've never met anyone who said "watch out, my unleashed dog bites," yet I'm pretty sure people still get bitten by dogs. This whole trend of needing to take your dogs with you everywhere you go baffles me. The trend of ignoring leash laws (not to mention laws about clean-up), is just downright infuriating.

Quote (JEB90 @ Apr 3 2011 12:28am)

So my kid and I are finishing up some baseball practice today, when two guys, a woman, and two little kids come up with their unleashed pitbull.  The dog proceeds to run straight at my kid growling.  I yell at the dog, and it proceeds to come over at me and growl.  At this point I ask the douchebag who is just standing their watching to "control your dog, please."  Admittedly, I didn't use my "friendly" voice, but I was still pretty surprised by his response of "she's friendly"--while she continued growling at us.  He then went on--without taking one step toward controlling his dog--to tell me she's never bitten anyone.  He didn't take me seriously until I told them we were not going to be the first and grabbed a bat out out equipment bag, positioning myself between the dog and my kid--who was a bit scared the whole time--and staring right at him.  Now naturally, at this point he apologized and ran over to put the legally required leash on his dog.  Oh...wait...no--he proceeded to swear at me and tell what an idiot I was for overreacting to a pitbull growling at my kid.  I'm glad I didn't have to bash the dog in the head, but I wouldn't have minded introducing this yahoo to Mr. Easton.

Anyway, what is it that makes people think that--since their dog doesn't bite them--it won't bite other people?  And why in the world do they expect other people to take that chance?  I've never met anyone who said "watch out, my unleashed dog bites," yet I'm pretty sure people still get bitten by dogs.  This whole trend of needing to take your dogs with you everywhere you go baffles me.  The trend of ignoring leash laws (not to mention laws about clean-up), is just downright infuriating.

Quote (zeratul87 @ 3 Apr 2011 13:24)

fun the ol nature vs nurture argument
dogs are bred physiologically much more than they are mentally
why are golden retrievers more active and friendly? healthy cardiovascular, long legs and require human interactions for full attentive stimuli
why are pitbulls good fighters? lock jaws which can clamp onto appendages.
not to say mental predispositions aren't also a factor though. dobermans are known to be vicious in no small part to HEAVY in breeding. however they are also extremely muscular which doesn't hurt in fighting.....
chiuahahs are also vicious fucking things. i doubt they were bred for fighting.
biological factors are mainly physiological. period. how that dog behaves is mainly social/environmental.
/enddiscussion

Quote (brmv @ Apr 3 2011 07:23am)

there is no need to discuss with you because you rarely bring a valid argument
let me guess: you are a dog breeder or someone who sets breed standards?

in case you want to find out something about dogs:
http://www.fci.be/home.asp?lang=en
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=1010

and it must be that plenty countries have banned some dangerous dog breeds just for fun?

btw, good you mentioned dobermans
let me give you two other breeds which have a very similar physique
dalmatiners and german shorthaired pointers
how come they have a different disposition?

ps: i love how there are so many on pard who like to make a fool out of themselves because they barely know anything about the subject