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Mar 2 2011 04:02am
Quote (Santara @ 1 Mar 2011 16:48)
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New report suspects the US is under an economic assault, and it is currently incomplete.
The Chinese have, for years, advocated economic warfare against the US as a logical extension of wresting global trade dominance from the US.
What are your thoughts?


since the banks have always been so frugal in their lending practices ... nice to see a white-wash of sub-prime lending etc
are you moving to 'zeitgeist' or are you are going to create a 'kevinfreeman' guild?
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Mar 2 2011 08:33am
Quote (IamEvo @ Mar 2 2011 02:05am)
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get a life nerd-wannabe-teenager


Why would I want to be a teenager like you? Unlike teenagers; I realize that I don't know everything, I realize that I won't live forever, I realize that I do not have the world by the ass, and I realize that my parents actually know something.

I also have 2 jobs, a house, a relatively new car with features a teenager would die for, a beautiful wife and two smart children. I'm old enough to buy beer and vote, and know enough about the candidates that I don't believe the lies they tell. I've served my country and visited/lived in 26 states and 10 countries.

Your vapid attempt at mocking my age does nothing to detract from the fact that I'm right about grammar and syntax being lost on you, or that you know nothing of the world that goes on around you. Stay ignorant and stupid, it becomes you.

Quote (Lucas[NM] @ Mar 2 2011 03:01am)
So why is it China would do this? Both China and the US are mutually dependant on eachother. One for money, the other for a market. A strong and healthy Chinese economy is what they want yeah, but I think the US is paranoid for calling this a terrorist attack.


Why would the Soviet Union want to wage a cold war? Sure our economies are intertwined, but ours is more dependent on their buying our debt than theirs is dependent on us. Simply put, the Chinese are better positioned to weather a downturn than the US is, so at some point, it may become good strategic positioning to out-leverage us. Sure, the term "terrorist" attack is a loaded term, but the idea that someone may have intentionally helped worsen a bad situation isn't exactly conducive to calling it "just business."

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since the banks have always been so frugal in their lending practices ... nice to see a white-wash of sub-prime lending etc
are you moving to 'zeitgeist' or are you are going to create a 'kevinfreeman' guild?


No one has white-washed anything. All that is being pointed out is that as-yet unknown parties may be attempting to make a very bad situation worse.
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Mar 2 2011 08:38am
Quote (Santara @ Mar 2 2011 03:33pm)
Why would the Soviet Union want to wage a cold war? Sure our economies are intertwined, but ours is more dependent on their buying our debt than theirs is dependent on us. Simply put, the Chinese are better positioned to weather a downturn than the US is, so at some point, it may become good strategic positioning to out-leverage us. Sure, the term "terrorist" attack is a loaded term, but the idea that someone may have intentionally helped worsen a bad situation isn't exactly conducive to calling it "just business."


I wouldn't call it "just business", but it seems that there have been certain parties in the US that used their 'contact' in China for the purpose of money. They made themselves dependent on China. Sure China offered the US loans, but some people on top were ignorant enough to accept it.

China shouldn't be blamed for the ignorance of some leaders.
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Mar 2 2011 08:38am
Economic control is the basis for world trade. Assault is a strong word for it. The united states has no limits on trade with foreign owners (unlike most countries) meaning another nationality could possibly have the ability to eventually monopalize certain trades. Such as Oil, grocery,banking and many other economic power houses. The only way to stop this is to put a limit (which under our constituition is wrong) this my good people is called implosion. However NO MATER HOW MUCH debt we aquire the simple fact is the world relies on american greed they will never have to cash in on our debts because the money we do give them increases their profit 100% anyways. Your welcome. :)








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This post was edited by Desi89 on Mar 2 2011 08:43am
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Quote (Lucas[NM] @ Mar 2 2011 08:38am)
I wouldn't call it "just business", but it seems that there have been certain parties in the US that used their 'contact' in China for the purpose of money. They made themselves dependent on China. Sure China offered the US loans, but some people on top were ignorant enough to accept it.

China shouldn't be blamed for the ignorance of some leaders.


Let's suppose Chinese agencies engaged in naked short selling of Lehman Brothers (which the article says was anywhere from 30-70% of the price drop of their stock when it collapsed): It intentionally drives down the price of a company worth billions, with billions in assets, that causes a market panic that spreads. How is that not an attack?
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Mar 2 2011 08:47am
Quote (Santara @ Mar 2 2011 08:44am)
Let's suppose Chinese agencies engaged in naked short selling of Lehman Brothers (which the article says was anywhere from 30-70% of the price drop of their stock when it collapsed): It intentionally drives down the price of a company worth billions, with billions in assets, that causes a market panic that spreads. How is that not an attack?


It will cause a world wide depression simply due to panic. Remember a countries currency is hugely based on that countries popularity in the stock markets and world trade. Simply put (how much the world likes said country) yes i know that seems childish but it is 100% true.
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Mar 2 2011 09:28am
Quote (Santara @ 2 Mar 2011 14:33)
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No one has white-washed anything. All that is being pointed out is that as-yet unknown parties may be attempting to make a very bad situation worse.


while one cannot discount any form of 'terroristic' attack in principle, the article clearly sounded like an attempted white-wash
it seems people do not want to remember that problems in the financial sector were predicted quite some time before the 'collapse'
not only the sub-prime market and the trading with packaged mortgages but also the derivative market and especially short selling

or is the article a guide for the future?
in that case one has to remember that there was a planning exercise in the 1990s by the pentagon (?)
simulating the possibility of planes flying into 'towers' - which at that time was discarded as near impossible

and to your post#25
short sellers can be traced
so do not try to create a wrong impression
if there would have been any hard evidence
you can be sure the article would have mentioned that
why did the article not mention the source? suspicious imo

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Quote (Desi89 @ Mar 2 2011 08:47am)
It will cause a world wide depression simply due to panic. Remember a countries currency is hugely based on that countries popularity in the stock markets and world trade. Simply put (how much the world likes said country) yes i know that seems childish but it is 100% true.


A country's currency is based on trust, not popularity. As long as the dollar is trusted as a stable store of wealth, it will be popular. With quantitative easing printing money, that trust is being eroded, to the point that countries are divesting themselves of dollars.

Quote (brmv @ Mar 2 2011 09:28am)
while one cannot discount any form of 'terroristic' attack in principle, the article clearly sounded like an attempted white-wash
it seems people do not want to remember that problems in the financial sector were predicted quite some time before the 'collapse'
not only the sub-prime market and the trading with packaged mortgages but also the derivative market and especially short selling

or is the article a guide for the future?
in that case one has to remember that there was a planning exercise in the 1990s by the pentagon (?)
simulating the possibility of planes flying into 'towers' - which at that time was discarded as near impossible

and to your post#25
short sellers can be traced
so do not try to create a wrong impression
if there would have been any hard evidence
you can be sure the article would have mentioned that
why did the article not mention the source? suspicious imo


Predicted only by some. The federal reserve, for example, failed to foresee, or act beforehand on the financial crisis. Again, I'm not saying there weren't major factors of our own making that led to the meltdown, only discussing the possibilities that foreign powers exacerbated it.

Only so far as banking privacy allows.
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Mar 2 2011 10:59am
Quote (Santara @ Mar 2 2011 04:33pm)
Why would I want to be a teenager like you? Unlike teenagers; I realize that I don't know everything, I realize that I won't live forever, I realize that I do not have the world by the ass, and I realize that my parents actually know something.

I also have 2 jobs, a house, a relatively new car with features a teenager would die for, a beautiful wife and two smart children. I'm old enough to buy beer and vote, and know enough about the candidates that I don't believe the lies they tell. I've served my country and visited/lived in 26 states and 10 countries.

Your vapid attempt at mocking my age does nothing to detract from the fact that I'm right about grammar and syntax being lost on you, or that you know nothing of the world that goes on around you. Stay ignorant and stupid, it becomes you.



Why would the Soviet Union want to wage a cold war? Sure our economies are intertwined, but ours is more dependent on their buying our debt than theirs is dependent on us. Simply put, the Chinese are better positioned to weather a downturn than the US is, so at some point, it may become good strategic positioning to out-leverage us. Sure, the term "terrorist" attack is a loaded term, but the idea that someone may have intentionally helped worsen a bad situation isn't exactly conducive to calling it "just business."



No one has white-washed anything. All that is being pointed out is that as-yet unknown parties may be attempting to make a very bad situation worse.


Care police, i didnt even read what bullshits you typed ! grandpa, tell me you were on nam aswell ? wannabe rambo ^^, i bet 1k dollars that you never went to army ^^ you are a middleaged ape living like yankee in his house with his mom with an old shotgun ^^ go make proud our states ^^
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Quote (IamEvo @ Mar 2 2011 10:59am)
Care police, i didnt even read what bullshits you typed ! grandpa, tell me you were on nam aswell ? wannabe rambo ^^, i bet 1k dollars that you never went to army ^^ you are a middleaged ape living like yankee in his house with his mom with an old shotgun ^^ go make proud our states ^^


Hey troll, GC -->

Gtfo, you ignorant, pusillanimous wimp.
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