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Jan 22 2011 05:59pm
Quote (Anthraxinsoup @ Jan 22 2011 04:51pm)
Just because you are part of someone doesn't make you 100% them. I'm part of both of my parents, but I am not 100% either of them.


Nothing Perfect can be born of something Imperfect.

The latter cannot be greater than the prior.

We may not be exactly like or contain all the same attributes of our creators, but we can have many of the same. Supposedly we were created in God's image. That right there proves that part of us is him doesn't it?

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Quote (Torm1 @ Jan 22 2011 04:54pm)
God isn't a force somewhere distant in the universe. God is not the universe itself either.

If you're speaking of Yahweh, the God of the bible, that is... He's a person.


Whatt?? Please do explain more while i google "Yahweh"

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Quote (zeratul87 @ 22 Jan 2011 16:51)
the more you post the more i see a potentially intelligent individual being swept up in heritage. who gives a fuck where your from. you're really gonna believe in odin and thor just because some of your relatives did? at what point in your life to you plan on formulating an original thought?


I have had original thoughts. I use to be Hard Agnostic(I don't know either way, etc, Still believed there was no god though, but I didn't know for sure either way, so it was just a belief), but then I started reading some Old Odinist texts, and other works, and I learned I really loved the religion, I just felt a connection to it that I didn't feel to any other religion before. I've tried many religions(I love studying religion), and Odinist gave me a feeling I never got to any of them before. No if there is no god, well whoopie, I could careless either way. It's not Odinism has every stopped me from doing anything, or forced me to do anything. I believe in it myself, but if I want to do something(or don't), I follow myself. If a god or gods really exist, I think they would like us to live life how we want.
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Jan 22 2011 06:04pm
In all likelihood, God probably doesn't exist, and by asking Why questions (What is God's purpose == Why?) you're hoping to ascribe a reason or some ultimate purpose to something that doesn't necessarily need to have any reason at all.
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Jan 22 2011 06:06pm
When one says that they are religious...does one truly believe that there is God, or a God, or in Anthraxinsoup's case that Thor and Odin truly exist or existed? And that they created or he created what we see today?

Or, is it more of a figurative idea, that these all powerful beings are not beings at all, but rather they are ideals to live by, and all has been created by living through this way of life? And so when you pray to your God or God's, are you praying to an actual thing or being? Or are you praying to the idea born of this God be it real or fake?

Personally, I think of religion as lessons to live by, but I do not believe that there is a God by standards of which people think of God - A thing of being, substance, conciousness - I think of God as a way of life. Lessons so that we do not destroy each other, so that humanity can be civilized.

e// did that all make sense?

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Quote (SooWoop @ Jan 22 2011 03:59pm)
Nothing Perfect can be born of something Imperfect.

The latter cannot be greater than the prior.

We may not be exactly like or contain all the same attributes of our creators, but we can have many of the same.  Supposedly we were created in God's image.  That right there proves that part of us is him doesn't it?

e/

Whatt??  Please do explain more while i google "Yahweh"


not sure i agree with the first two statements. when speaking on perfection and whether something is greater you must take into account relativity in which nothing is absolute.

Quote (Anthraxinsoup @ Jan 22 2011 04:00pm)
I have had original thoughts. I use to be Hard Agnostic(I don't know either way, etc, Still believed there was no god though, but I didn't know for sure either way, so it was just a belief), but then I started reading some Old Odinist texts, and other works, and I learned I really loved the religion, I just felt a connection to it that I didn't feel to any other religion before. I've tried many religions(I love studying religion), and Odinist gave me a feeling I never got to any of them before. No if there is no god, well whoopie, I could careless either way. It's not Odinism has every stopped me from doing anything, or forced me to do anything. I believe in it myself, but if I want to do something(or don't), I follow myself. If a god or gods really exist, I think they would like us to live life how we want.


agnostic is nothing more than a transitional phase. we are all born with an innate predisposition towards belief in a higher power. when our beliefs become threatened we resort to agnostic point of views in an attempt to validate the idea we can make the transition out of our current state into a more comfortable one. many people are more comfortable with the idea that they are in control so remain there.

i honestly hope this is true " believe in it myself, but if I want to do something(or don't), I follow myself. If a god or gods really exist, I think they would like us to live life how we want." nothing is more rewarding then self reflection and realization. i see many people on here who are christian because they are scared or claim to be atheist (i highly doubt there is an ACTUAL atheist on here) because they don't want to be like the stereotypical christian. neither are justifiable reasons imo.


Quote (bentherdonethat @ Jan 22 2011 04:04pm)
In all likelihood, you (the poster) believe that God probably doesn't exist, and by asking Why questions (What is God's purpose == Why?) you're hoping to ascribe a reason or some ultimate purpose to something that doesn't necessarily need to have any reason at all.


if this is the point you were making i agree.


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Quote (SooWoop @ 22 Jan 2011 17:06)
When one says that they are religious...does one truly believe that there is God, or a God, or in Anthraxinsoup's case that Thor and Odin truly exist or existed? And that they created or he created what we see today?

Or, is it more of a figurative idea, that these all powerful beings are not beings at all, but rather they are ideals to live by, and all has been created by living through this way of life?  And so when you pray to your God or God's, are you praying to an actual thing or being? Or are you praying to the idea born of this God be it real or fake?

Personally, I think of religion as lessons to live by, but I do not believe that there is a God by standards of which people think of God - A thing of being, substance, conciousness - I think of God as a way of life.  Lessons so that we do not destroy each other, so that humanity can be civilized.


You are like most of the people in the world, There are nut jobs in all religions. There are questions you shouldn't really think that hard into, just live life and be the best person you can be.
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Jan 22 2011 06:11pm
Quote (Anthraxinsoup @ Jan 22 2011 05:08pm)
You are like most of the people in the world, There are nut jobs in all religions. There are questions you shouldn't really think that hard into, just live life and be the best person you can be.


was this a troll?
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Quote (zeratul87 @ 22 Jan 2011 17:08)
agnostic is nothing more than a transitional phase. we are all born with an innate predisposition towards belief in a higher power. when our beliefs become threatened we resort to agnostic point of views in an attempt to validate the idea we can make the transition out of our current state into a more comfortable one. many people are more comfortable with the idea that they are in control so remain there.

i honestly hope this is true " believe in it myself, but if I want to do something(or don't), I follow myself. If a god or gods really exist, I think they would like us to live life how we want." nothing is more rewarding then self reflection and realization. i see many people on here who are christian because they are scared or claim to be atheist (i highly doubt there is an ACTUAL atheist on here) because they don't want to be like the stereotypical christian. neither are justifiable reasons imo.


It is true, I believe the best thing you can do is just live life how you like, and how you want. Nothing should force you to do something you don't want to do. This is what life is about, Living it to the max and being happy in yourself. See, I try to live like this, but people think that my thinking is stupid and bigot filled. I want to be separate, but it's cause it will make me feel the happiest, I don't want to get rid of multiculturalism. I want to have States(as in countries) set aside for all races to mix, then states set aside that are Racialist. I don't want to force anyone to do something they don't believe in.

Quote (SooWoop @ 22 Jan 2011 17:11)
was this a troll?


No, stating my belief on how people should live life.

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Quote (zeratul87 @ Jan 23 2011 12:08am)
not sure i agree with the first two statements. when speaking on perfection and whether something is greater you must take into account relativity in which nothing is absolute.



agnostic is nothing more than a transitional phase. we are all born with an innate predisposition towards belief in a higher power. when our beliefs become threatened we resort to agnostic point of views in an attempt to validate the idea we can make the transition out of our current state into a more comfortable one. many people are more comfortable with the idea that they are in control so remain there.

i honestly hope this is true "believe in it myself, but if I want to do something(or don't), I follow myself. If a god or gods really exist, I think they would like us to live life how we want." nothing is more rewarding then self reflection and realization.i see many people on here who are christian because they are scared or claim to be atheist (i highly doubt there is an ACTUAL atheist on here) because they don't want to be like the stereotypical christian. neither are justifiable reasons imo.




if this is the point you were making i agree.


I am an ACTUAL atheist.

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Quote (Anthraxinsoup @ Jan 22 2011 05:12pm)


No, stating my belief on how people should live life.

loli thought you were calling me a nut job >_<
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