Quote (bogie160 @ May 3 2010 05:55am)
Tric - You are wrong. Very few nations become strong because of social freedom, I'd challenge you to find relevant historical examples that outweigh the dozens I can think up; and economic strength would be a better word than economic freedom, it is the strength to marshal resources which counts, not something so abstract as freedom.
We have a national identity, and yes, it has and does survive on the death of others. That national identity (your respect for rights, for example) is essential for our survival. The notion that our nation is "strong" because of our freedoms is just as essential. We need them to survive.
I think governments exist as a means to benefit and protect society, the consent of the people can only be withdrawn through blood.
There is no need to dominate the world for resources if our economy can be competitive enough to bid for them on a free market. Resources being diverted away from our own country is not a bad thing if those resources are being used optimally to provide goods and services more efficiently. Trying to prop up economic strength through imperialism is hardly a plan for long term success, as we can see our own country buckling under the cost of the American empire and the debt we have accumulated to hide our inability to be competitive on a global market. It's really to no ones benefit to run a country this way, and it is not sustainable in the long run. Considering terrorism and global resentment, in fifty years we won't be the economic powerhouse. If anything, other countries will do everything they can to hinder America on the world scene so we can never rise to power again, much like what we do to Russia. Just like every other empire, we will fail and be worse off for it. Instead of using resources to destroy wealth, we can be building it up to everyone's gain. Legitimate economic prosperity and wealth will be found in economic freedom, not through fascistic policies seeking temporary economic strength. Free economies will attract all the resources they need without the need for an empire.
Who has to die so we can have a "national identity"? That's not an identity I or most people I know cares to be a part of.
I'm not sure why you keep saying our national identity is essential for our "survival". If our identity can be as subtle as people's respect for each others rights then I hardly see a point in making a fuss over it. It seems like a moot point. But correct me if I am wrong, you feel that there is an optimal identity that should be imposed on people because you think you can manage to socially engineer civilization in an optimal way. You want to fight the drug war because recreational drug use does not fit in with your idea of a homogeneous population. ( despite evidence to the contrary )
To wrap this up, I don't see any validity at all in what you have to say. I don't think American imperialism to secure resources will do the country any good in the long run. And I absolutely don't see a point in fostering a national identity. Those kinds of things need to come about from the bottom up. National identities need to be spontaneous and legitimate. We don't need to propagandize our children/population into accepting a pre determined set of values. We have tried that, and we waste billions on the drug war, and have pimps roaming the streets and the highest prison rate on earth.