Quote (datajunky @ Feb 13 2010 01:31am)

I think this experience happens to us at critical junctions in our lives or more specifically, those times when the predictable pattern of fractal time overlaps with another time period where the novelty is the same on a higher fractal epoch of time.



Don't ask me to explain it to you further as I don't fully understand it myself but the idea came to me while learning about novelty theory and timewave zero which is a fascinating subject on its own.

Quote (HERETICtheory @ Feb 13 2010 07:46pm)

In such a case, I would be intrigued to find out if deja vu could possibly involve events in other dimensions which correlate or sync up with specific events in our perceived realities.  Maybe somebody else knows some more about this kind of thing and can clarify or at least point us in the right direction?

Like I said, I don't presume to know enough to make any kind of a fully developed theory on this subject, this is merely musing for the sake of intriguing conversation.  I do think that the question of deja vu is a very important and vital question, sort of like a keystone to closing the gap between certain theories, however, at this moment I have no such validation on my postulation and I do not want to assert that I have any kind of qualification.

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Quote (kpxkimchi1013 @ Feb 26 2010 12:41am)

on the daily i usually have deja vu more then 5 times a day and half of those times i feel something always trying to discombobulate me and sometimes i break down for few minutes and feel like im mentally insane.
this is no lie of mine but since this topic was brought up about the whole "spiritual thing" i was kind of intrigued by this whole conversation that you guys sparked up here.
and as for this deja vu thing i usually have, it occurs in my sleep and sometimes makes me jitter when i do. i have nightmares always when i come across deja vu and i think its because of my worst experiences of life that has happened to me.
im only 18 but i been thru alot of things which no teenager should have gone thru, not even an adult in their lifetime. what can cause such commotion in my sleep and on the daily?
i know im not psychotic but to this spiritual connection which i have no clue of is recognized in my memory for some particular reason but  which i have NO knowledge of how it connects to my deja vu
if anyone has similar experiences id like to hear another persons perspective.

Quote (TidsL @ Feb 27 2010 05:58am)

Just to make sure I got it, you're saying that we all have some form of individual fractal curve, right? Otherwise what you said would mean that deja vu happens simultaneously for everyone(?), since the overall level of novelty is universal. Let me know if I misinterpreted, sometimes I think I see what you mean, but the next moment I'm not so sure. Please develop some more about the individual fractal curve if you can. ;D (Sorry)

Quote (TidsL @ Feb 27 2010 05:58am)

Always nice to get your views on things to bring me closer back to earth again. ^^ Cheers mate.

Quote (HERETICtheory @ Feb 13 2010 01:46pm)

Love the McKenna quote. <3  He was a truly inspiring man. 

I haven't ever put much thought into deja vu for a few reasons.  I guess I figured somewhere along the line that it was a lot of stuff to sort through because to address it you need to first address several other philosophical and psychological theories and ideas before you can even humor the idea and then on top of that once you gather your theories and trains of thought, many people are going to stomp on them and say that THOSE are wrong.  In the end it becomes very difficult to actually discuss deja vu.  However, I would like to take the time right now to attempt to rationalize this phenomenon a bit. 

I think it's very interesting, especially given the information emerging about fractal patterns in nature, specifically in time, though, to me, the existence of any fractal pattern at the basis of matter suggests that it is inherently infinite.  In this sense, I lean heavily towards what datajunky suggested about overlapping moments of novelty or energy/chaos in relation to the levels of depth of the fractal we are exploring.  That sentence was a bit rough and not exactly how I wanted to put it but I think if we were to examine how a supposed fractal time wave would occur, it might make some more sense. 

I am not an expert on this but I am making an attempt to fully understand this theory and it's surrounding bubbles of thought and I am learning more each day.  If we graph novelty we can clearly see the correlation between historical events in the past and events that have happened more recently or even in the near future, we can see that the graph is literally repeating itself but falling smaller and smaller in scale each time.  This is exactly what a fractal does.  Honestly, I would need to examine the graph a little more thoroughly to determine whether the changes are sufficiently "self-similar" rather than copies of a repeated event but if we assume that it may act in such a way (as a fractal would) this would suggest to me that moments of deja vu could possibly be the gap between changes in the fractal wave.  That is, deja vu could be the moment in a supposed linear time when the fractal waves are congruent, if only for a moment. 

There are a few other theories that I am not well enough versed in to make much comment on at all, though I think they also hold legitimate possibilities for explaining deja vu.  These theories all consist of the idea of multi-dimensional realities, which in my opinion could fit very nicely in with Novelty Theory and fractal time.  In such a case, I would be intrigued to find out if deja vu could possibly involve events in other dimensions which correlate or sync up with specific events in our perceived realities.  Maybe somebody else knows some more about this kind of thing and can clarify or at least point us in the right direction?

Like I said, I don't presume to know enough to make any kind of a fully developed theory on this subject, this is merely musing for the sake of intriguing conversation.  I do think that the question of deja vu is a very important and vital question, sort of like a keystone to closing the gap between certain theories, however, at this moment I have no such validation on my postulation and I do not want to assert that I have any kind of qualification.

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Haha thanks, I appreciate it.

I was much inspired to post by your previous post about fractal time.  Though this post is a little lacking in my confidence on the subject, I hope it suffices to at least get some people's thoughts jogging.

Hope I don't disappoint.

Quote (general_patton @ Mar 1 2010 03:00am)

What's a novelty?

Quote (TidsL @ Mar 1 2010 09:18am)

I've heard Terence himself say at one point that he wasn't clear about the exact definition of novelty, but novelty is like increased complexity, the opposite to habit and something completely new. When he speaks of the universe as a novelty-preserving engine he means that it strives for, and wants to preserve complexity. I'd be glad if someone filled in for a better definition.

Quote (general_patton @ Feb 28 2010 10:00pm)

What's a novelty?