Quote (HERETICtheory @ Nov 30 2009 09:31am)

Applied to the Timewave Zero,Y2k had no increase in novelty whereas the Dec. 2012 date shows increase in novelty spiking towards infinity.  Just a thought on that.

Assumptions about 2012 are just that, assumptions.  What we can speculate at this time, however, is that a formula for a fractal time does in fact exist.  Within this graph (Timewave Zero) you can visually see spikes in terms of chaos or novelty which occur at specific points in history.  There have already been many of these spikes during certain specific events in history such as major wars, great discoveries, etc.  I personally believe that the existence of fractals in the first place is an astounding observation made by mankind.  Since a fractal is considered to be a self-similar form, I would propose the idea that the mere existence of such a form would suggest that it is apparent in everything around us to a degree.  Because of the fact that a fractal is perceived to be infinite, in essence, each fractal is part of a giant universal fractal which in turn breaks down into an algorithm.  When applied, this algorithm should be able to see the underlying dynamics of chaos or energy that is in constant motion within this reality.  It's almost like a blueprint when set in motion. 

Anyway, nobody knows right now but I believe that following this train of thought may open up possibilities for mankind that we never imagined were possible.  At least in the end it's all very interesting.  I'll have to check this book out for sure.

If anybody is interested, I have a copy of what I believe is the Timewave Zero graph/program.  You just need to understand the math behind it to input information to use it successfully, unfortunately math was never my strong point.  Maybe somebody could use it effectively?  I think it'd be very interesting to see it in action.

Quote (infinitesimal @ Nov 30 2009 02:02pm)

WHAT THE HELL are you talking about?


http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=novelty+chaos+theory&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

It's no surprise that the word "novelty" only comes up with chaos theory in websites talking about 2012.

Quote (HERETICtheory @ Nov 30 2009 12:48pm)

It's not Chaos Theory actually.  It's Novelty Theory.  They are different, that's why they are named differently.

Quote (infinitesimal @ Nov 30 2009 03:14pm)

Is it actually a scientifically grounded theory? Why isn't it mentioned outside of 2012 related websites?

Quote (HERETICtheory @ Nov 30 2009 03:50pm)

It depends what you mean by grounded scientifically I guess.  I'm not sure how you would define that in your mind.  Really it's just the result of examining history and applying it with mathematics through abstract thought.  But it's just that, abstract thought.  Some people accept it, some don't.  I just think it's a highly interesting concept.  Also, it mostly has to do with 2012 at this particular time because that's the most alarming date that is graphed.  I'm not an expert however, I was just bringing the topic up for the sake of contemplation. 

I would suggest listening to Terence tell it himself really, he's quite an articulate guy whether you agree with him or not.  There's many videos on Youtube.  This is one, the video and music are really lame unfortunately but what he is saying is a pretty good overview of the basic ideas behind why 2012 and the meaning of it all.  It's not as much about the process of applying Novelty Theory but if you're interested in that I'm sure you could find them on Youtube or just ask me and I'll pull one up for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XTglkKfYkw

Quote (HERETICtheory @ Nov 30 2009 02:50pm)

It depends what you mean by grounded scientifically I guess.  I'm not sure how you would define that in your mind.  Really it's just the result of examining history and applying it with mathematics through abstract thought.  But it's just that, abstract thought.  Some people accept it, some don't.  I just think it's a highly interesting concept.  Also, it mostly has to do with 2012 at this particular time because that's the most alarming date that is graphed.  I'm not an expert however, I was just bringing the topic up for the sake of contemplation. 

I would suggest listening to Terence tell it himself really, he's quite an articulate guy whether you agree with him or not.  There's many videos on Youtube.  This is one, the video and music are really lame unfortunately but what he is saying is a pretty good overview of the basic ideas behind why 2012 and the meaning of it all.  It's not as much about the process of applying Novelty Theory but if you're interested in that I'm sure you could find them on Youtube or just ask me and I'll pull one up for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XTglkKfYkw

Quote (HERETICtheory @ Nov 30 2009 08:50pm)

It depends what you mean by grounded scientifically I guess.  I'm not sure how you would define that in your mind.  Really it's just the result of examining history and applying it with mathematics through abstract thought.  But it's just that, abstract thought.  Some people accept it, some don't.  I just think it's a highly interesting concept.  Also, it mostly has to do with 2012 at this particular time because that's the most alarming date that is graphed.  I'm not an expert however, I was just bringing the topic up for the sake of contemplation. 

I would suggest listening to Terence tell it himself really, he's quite an articulate guy whether you agree with him or not.  There's many videos on Youtube.  This is one, the video and music are really lame unfortunately but what he is saying is a pretty good overview of the basic ideas behind why 2012 and the meaning of it all.  It's not as much about the process of applying Novelty Theory but if you're interested in that I'm sure you could find them on Youtube or just ask me and I'll pull one up for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XTglkKfYkw

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"Timewave zero" is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of "novelty", defined as increase in the universe's interconnectedness, or organised complexity,[54] over time. According to Terence McKenna, who conceived the idea over several years in the early-mid 1970s while using psilocybin mushrooms and DMT, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity in 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur instantaneously.

Quote (balrog66 @ Nov 30 2009 04:59pm)

Andreas Fuls at the University of Berlin has studied the Mayan Calendar and came out with it ending in 2208.

Quote (infinitesimal @ Nov 30 2009 03:10pm)

LMAO.