USA MN

Pretty big indicator that people who can afford to flee the country for health care.
You get cancer are you going to wait four to six months to see an oncologist?

Yep. I remember when I was in Saint Paul visiting family I slipped and broke my leg. 8 hours waiting in the ER at regions on a weekday which is absolutely absurd and then all they kept saying is “We take patients based on arrival not severity” which is absolute horseshit we all know someone with a cold should not be as much of an emergency as say a stabbing victim. I think they just said it because they fucked up.

You cannot possibly claim you know anything about health care performance indicators and then continue to keep hammering on one and only one indicator. This is exactly why the US has become the absolute laughing stock of the world. Your beliefs are so incredibly entrenched that a conversation is no longer even possible.
Health cost per capita is ridiculous, the ICER values of nearly every medical intervention in the US is absolutely bullocks - which is the epitope of hypocricy, considering the entire world is watching the US go absolutely ham precisely on the subject of financials right now. Your life expectancy is worse across all patient subgroups unless you stratify and only look at the numbers of those who live in financial excess, which needless to tell you is a minority in the US. Survival rates of premature babies born <32w is lower in the US than it is in Canada, and having a baby born at 32 weeks in the US costs about 100-150k out of pocket as opposed to nil in Canada, saving many households from financial ruin (which also impacts the health and wellbeing of the child for decades). Especially in my own field my patient subgroup's accessibility to health care is not in their own hands whatsoever as they are children. The US is proud of their short waiting time to visit a private paediatrician, which most can't pay for, after 1-6 weeks. Here in Belgium we take a laugh and see our patient who called yesterday. It might take all of three days in the Netherlands and Germany. If you're in bad luck in France, you may have to wait one whole week!

The next time someone asks for performance indicators, and you wish to just clobber down your conversationalist with repetitive phrasing, you may want to add that the US tends to win in innovation and, generally speaking, waiting lines. That way, you will have at least given one correct argument to support your case. Does that justify the downsides of US health care? Not by a landslide.
Eat a book or two about health care performance indicators.

Say something boring so you can have the last word. What a preposterous belief you lot hold, it only upholds this very sick system of the US.

Were talking about Canada where kids die of treatable leukemia because they had to wait for six months.
Also Canada's survival rate numbers a skewed by the population that can afford immediate treatment in the USA, instead of waiting and hoping the cancer doesn't spread.
I'm not saying the USA's system is the best, we can go back 100 years to point to where health care became expensive because of governments involvement.
Just keep taking in Refugees and see how long all of your taxes can keep up for your health care that is already subsidized by the USA.
I don't think the USA should have to bear the burden of profitability for Drug, and medical device manufacturers, while the rest of the world gets it for dirt cheap.

This is a major indicator. In fact the only one that matters.

If you had a choice where would you go? Is the BEST indicator possible.

Based on what doctors that have worked there have told me.

Yes, anecdotal evidence. This is how quality performance indicators work. Good job, you!

I mean it’s allowed in court… lol

I think there is little discussion that if you have unlimited funds, US healthcare is the best in the world in a lot of areas.

That said there is also little discussion that it is generally overpriced and the worst in the western world if you are poor, which is just sad for one of the richest countries in the world.