Crying about family seperation is getting so out of hand. It's an excuse.

For one: it was THEIR choice to come into the country knowing it's illegal. If anyone is to blame for families being seperated, it's those families themselves.
Two: as stated, they can be deported together. There is no such thing as family seperation.

Hey pop quiz, how do you prevent a wrecking ball like Trump from destroying your dreams and assimilating the US government institutional apparatus for the purposes of putting warlike demons who hate kittens and happiness in charge...

Encourage good, lawful, moderate behavior from your own people. Stop parading degenerate shit in front of kids. Stop hopping the border illegally. Take those asinane "we believe" yard signs down and burn them. Apologize profusely and monetary compensation for your reaction to Covid. Discourage thugs from looting markets. Try to be civil and serve the country's center. Everything bad that might happen in the next 4 years is on Democrats and Democrat voters for being insufferable pieces of human refuse.

This post was edited by Thebarba on Nov 13 2024 01:43am

I've never read that publication so I won't defend them specifically, but there's plenty of publications and outlets that create content for one side of the political spectrum. Steve Bannon's show is not trying to appeal to Democrats. So if Kamala had won, pretty much every single person who listens to that show would believe it was stolen.

Trump's victory was kind of surprising, and I'm a high information voter. He won every swing state. But when I step back from the feelings about the election, it's not that surprising. Nate Silver's model had this electoral college outcome as the likeliest scenario. I think I read or heard that it was more likely that Trump or Kamala would win all 7 swing states, rather than a split. So even high information voters like myself can be surprised at this outcome.

The election denialism from the left barely exists. People who try to spread that bullshit get laughed at and ridiculed on Twitter. Most people who voted for Kamala don't have the same level of distrust and cynicism of our institutions as the Trump voters do. That's why we didn't vote to tear everything down.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 13 2024 08:44am

Aren't the children born here, whose parents are illegal immigrants, legal US citizens?

This post was edited by Jupe on Nov 13 2024 09:12am

We had a case like this in The Netherlands not so long ago. Mother came here in 2011 or something, applied for asylum and got denied. Signed out of her residence and went missing, got pregnant during that time. She applied again, got denied again. She dragged this crap for 13 years, son being 11 now, until our new government (actually it was a judge and not the government) said we are going to follow the rules and you have to go back.

I totally agree with that. Even if the kids are born in the US, it is the PARENTS responsibility why that has happened. Nothing more and nothing less. You can't blame that on the government or taxpayers.

This post was edited by Bart1989 on Nov 13 2024 09:17am

There's only so much Nate can do with bad poll data. Poll aggregates have consistently understated Trump's support over the course of three presidential cycles. When polls signal a "dead heat" we're looking at a comfortable Trump win. The polling miss this time around wasn't nearly as bad as 2020, but either the models are off or left-wing radicalism has created an electorally significant constituency of people who lie to polls and turn out for vote Trump.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Nov 13 2024 02:49pm

The funniest thing about it is that the polling averages did quite well and picked up most of the interesting stuff, conventional wisdom just didn't believe them.

"There's no chance that all battlegrounds are within 1-2% of each other" - with the exception of Arizona, they were.
"There's no chance the battlegrounds are within 1-2% of the national popular vote" - they were.
"If national polls show a dead heat, Trump will win very comfortably" - the tipping point state (PA) will end up less than one point to the right of the nation as a whole.
"These crosstabs make no sense. Hispanics zooming to the right while boomers move to the left? Has to be a statistical artifact or a bad poll" - oops, those trends did indeed materialize.


What was implied by the polls, but few people realized, is that the trend from 2022 of populous states (CA, NY, FL, IL) undergoing a dramatic right-shift, would continue or even accelerate in 2024. Absolutely nobody had Trump coming within 5.5 points in New Jersey or winning Texas by over 13% while still having to sweat Georgia or the blue wall states.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 13 2024 11:05pm

The left gets to pick and choose which elections it thinks are legitimate too. We got to hear for three years how democrats thought the 2016 election was stolen and Trump an illegitimate president, because muh Russia. Stacey Abrams spent four years insisting she was the governor-in-exile and the vile usurper Kemp. I still have the words "butterfly ballots" ringing in my ears. And its not like its just wackos on twitter getting flamed for it;



The reality is that democrats had no particular care about claiming all elections are sacrosanct and above question until they could wield it against Republicans as a cudgel after the 2020 election.
Its the same feigned holier-than-thou attitude as when Democrats spent years claiming vaccines cannot be questioned, trust the science, censor disinformation, etc etc- after Biden campaigned on a false promise not to mandate vaccines and Kamala directly told people not to trust the vaccines. As soon as it became political convenient suddenly democrats were the vaccines-are-sacred party. Nevermind the huge swathe of coastal liberal hipsters who refused to vax their kids.


lmao if Trump had come out swinging hardcore pro-vaccine, liberals today would be telling me how vaccines are racist and environmentally damaging and cause superbug to evolve and 'my body my choice'. Nobody gave a sincere shit about the actual issue, only how they could use it against the orange man

This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 14 2024 12:18am

people are still thinking 1 party is better then the other 1.... Both parties are owned now.. More then ever before in America's history

Must be hard to follow the law eh?