It's time to admit reservations are destructive, and so are all the other attempts to "pay" natives for the injustices of history. It's not that it's bad for America and Canada, it's bad for the native populations themselves... Integration is the only path forward.


I don't care who apologizes to who tho, it's literally meaningless. Group masturbation. No one responsible is alive, and the victims were as bad as the perpetrators, just with less power. Someone in this thread mentioned the trail of tears... Something like 10% of the people on the trail of tears were black slaves that the natives took with them, and of course those slaves accounted for a disproportionate amount of the deaths along the way. Are natives going to apologize to black people? It would also be meaningless if they did, obviously, but the point is that there were no good guys.

most modern reservations and tribe & govt relations are fairly peaceful and without issues, benign in most cases. and in most places native people are already integrated. the very small percent of natives still living in reservations (in the USA at least) live normal lives. they just live on tribal land which has tribal leadership and deals with tribal issues that happen on tribal land internally. almost always without controversy.

i dont get why anyone apologizing on behalf of the govt for past misdeeds would trigger anyone. now if they offered 10$ billion along with the apology, sure, i can see that being controversial. but an apology? thats manbaby behavior. too many people are unapologetic and it shows in cases like this. recognize fault, say sorry, move on. doesnt cost a thing.

There is no fault to recognize - it is immoral to apologize for nothing & weakens morale

Look where we are in 2024. Look where apologizing for being white has gotten us.

The Sins of your forefathers should not be past down to your grandchildren and their's.

Technically speaking.

That's right. We have already made amends by recognizing them as equal under the law, and they should be paying us tribute for that not the other way around.

The same way I don't judge present day Native Americans for their forefathers being brutal savages. Their forefathers were, but no one living is guilty of such war crimes (well, some criminals only)

didnt u last say they did human sacrifice, then i challenged that and you didnt respond?

no fault? 1,000+ indian kids died in these schools.

you could make the argument that they were overall a good thing, i dont agree but that's a perfectly logical explanation. but claiming they were only good, and zero bad, is the argument you'd need to make to justify "no fault", and that's incredibly illogical on the backs of one thousand kids.

it just sounds like people have been asked to apologize for stuff too much, and i agree with that, and are now triggered by hearing any apologies. more illogical emotional behavior.

The practice of human sacrifice was endemic to all pre-Christian pagan societies. Even the Romans, the most advanced pagan civilization, practiced human sacrifices - notably, multiple virgins were sacrificed to appeal to the gods after the disaster of Cannae during their war against Carthage.

Native Americans took it a step further with ritualistic torture - European settlers who were taken in the night would routinely be ritualistically tortured in order to appease the spirits of their ancestors. This is all well documented. The Aztecs were the worst with it, as they used these practices as a tool for subjugation & control, but everyone did it. It was the norm.

To add to all this, it was the Natives who violated the NAP, not settlers. European settlers who landed & built homes and farms were attacked by the Natives, not the other way around. Night raids were common. I've been on tours to Salem where the tour guide explained how the windows had strong shutters to help defend against Native raids.

As stated, they also were savages vs. themselves. Slaughtering, in whole, the men women and children of a defeated tribe was the norm and this is all WELL documented. Not only the natives there, but the Zulus in Africa as well. The Zulus slaughtered their internal enemies in whole prior to the Anglo-Zulu wars, and it was all observed and meticulously documented. The fact is that these people were savages before we conquered them.

Kids die of natural causes. This grift has been run to death here in Canada with the buried children hoax. Children died of disease and other causes - NOT the fault of missionaries.

I don't think we claim that there was zero bad, but we do claim that it was overall good. The 1 thousand kids thing though I will reiterate is completely meaningless - how many kids were put to the sword by other Native tribes? yeah.

I will apologize if the Natives first apologize for being barbarian savages and murdering our innocents for centuries. Until then they can pound sand

This post was edited by El1te on Oct 29 2024 12:34pm

You don't think any native americans practiced human sacrifice?

This self flagellation is so pathetic lol. I benefit from being foreign born and coming to this country and it's hilarious what the western world is turning into. Actually scratch that, not hilarious, but genuinely sad. Stronger cultures dominate and absorb weaker cultures, this has been that way for millennia. I don't think there's any other single point in history when something like this was a thing. It's legit self-cannibalizing and promoting victimhood as something to aspire to.