this is where shame leads you politically. when you try to pushback and you're told "people will commit suicide because of you" many people just bend to it. fast forward 10 years and you're now labelled a slur just for asking to see some proof that your actions lead in any meaningful way to suicide.

less than 1% of the population is dog walking 50% of the voter base, its actually impressive.

on the flip side a picture has been circulating of the Trump boat parade where some idiot was carrying Nazi flags on their boat. the left is foaming at the mouth, "see we told you!". what is getting FAR less attention is the trump voter's boat who pulled ahead of them and DRENCHED the idiots with water, flipped them off, and made it clear they weren't welcome additions. shocker.

inb4 "he's calling trans people nazis".

Absolutely. It's become so absurde that honestly many fairly liberal people I know are now going conservative. Anecdotal sure, but you can clearly tell that people are waking up to the absurdity of it all. You would have to have blinders on otherwise.

And it's sad that some minuscule amount of people are causing entire shifts if people. Everyone should just walk away from it.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 14 2024 11:56am

Honestly I posted this thread because I was on discord with a large friend group who were overwatch nerds and they all said the game has become unplayable due to toxicity and every time someone ruins a game they have the trans flag on their profile.
I don't play that horrible game or these gender games so I thought I'd gauge where pard stands on it.

There was a time when the left was made up and served the interests of the working class, blue collar, unions, social safety nets, anti-war, and so on.

The left today has evolved to no longer represent blue collar interests. The topics that dominate the platform are gender/lgbbq issues, climate change, immigration and the party no longer panders to the working class but basically is run by coastal elites and their interests.

The latest trans trend is really toxic and damaging to a lot of kids. Even some of the most liberal places in western Europe haven't adopted this nonsense on the level we have here. That should tell you something.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 14 2024 12:46pm

The far left position is that all problems are social problems, and that logic and nature need not be taken into account to solve them. This is responsible for gender politics, for blindness to the corruptibility of communism, and for every other problem with the far left.

The only way to move away from gender politics is to move away from the far left. Which everyone should do. You should move towards the center or be swallowed up by the lunacy of the fringes.

The far left is pseudoscience and the far right is logical fallacy. The more rigorously you apply reason to your beliefs, the closer to the center you will move, no matter where you currently lie.

The thing is, trans ideology isn't new, just hate tactics for it are. Trans people existed before the past decade bro, I'm one of them. The hate clicks media make up random shit and eventually people begin to roll with it, but a lot of it is just straight up fake news that people like you and op buy into immediately without ever doing any verification of information lol

Again, it's not trans people pulling some god string, it's out of touch corporations intentionally sowing seeds of hate and doubt into the community because that's what gets interest to their brand product business etc and the public largely just buys into it

Like go look into anti trans legislation being passed, who funds it, vs pro trans legislation, it's super obvious but you all let the wool pull over your eyes because got forbid a man transition to be a woman, not in the homophobic bigots mind, no way

This post was edited by blahaj on Oct 14 2024 01:27pm

oh that's 100% a thing, you're not wrong. but it's both.

corporations dont pander to an empty void, the society at large has been made to think (falsely i'd contend) that trans rights are a larger deal than they are. they're an issue we should of course work towards improving, but that pace it's moved and the focus it garners is well out of proportion. you can't cater to a tiny percent of the population, its just bad policy and its not a good way to socially engineer either.

we went from most people being almost entirely ignorant of anything having to do with trans people to almost all liberals displaying their pronouns on social media inside of a decade. you can't move fast without making mistakes, that goes for both political spheres.

but hey, im just a crazy person who thinks that microplastics are likely raising estrogen levels in people in america and the increase in the occurrence of trans people is just one of many side effects of that which we fail to address as we sloppily treat symptoms rather than the root cause.

It's because society as a whole largely accepts trans people who "pass", and trans men tend to "pass" with much less effort, hell it's even why the data for trans men tends to look like they are unicorns in comparison, lmao. Why self report if your transition worked so well that society doesn't know?

i dont largely disagree, but im not sure i understand what you mean. are you saying f2m trans people under-report on surveys and dont even mention that they're trans?

on a related not i cant tell most f2m trans people in 2024 look any different than most lesbians in say 2010. whereas if we contrast that with gay men, its night and day.