Exactly what I said.

I'm not a Trump supporter nor am I remotely political but I am independently wealthy so yes paying 30% more for gas isn't a big deal for me. Everyone else around me would be paying 30% more too. The price of gas fluctuates constantly and a lot of is based on shit going on in the ME. If Biden didn't nerf drilling we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

All of the things Trump is saying he's going to do "the day he steps back into the oval office" is a crock of shit and Trump supporters should know that too. No candidate whose run for President every even get's 10% of what they say they will done(because it's impossible to uproot an existing system without like I said heavy cost to yourself/the country).

Remember when Thomas Jefferson said this about the Federal Reserve, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Extrapolate this to today and what do we have? Total subservience to banks and corporations with literally no way out aside from every US citizen being willing to live well below their means until we can reverse the damage.

People in America have had it too good myself included and now when it's time for grown ass men to start doing the heavy lifting again they are no where to be found.

This is about America reestablishing "Made in America" and has NOTHING to do with Trump he just re-coined the term. Even if it costs us an arm and a leg....long term I'm confident the next generations will have a fair fight against these entities.

We are losing the battle for the future independence of our nation and becoming slaves to the same systems our forefathers died fighting against.

In the 1900's we prided ourselves on making everything here and we told citizens "BUY AMERICAN" "SUPPORT AMERICAN JOBS and FAMILIES" and people did it. They bought Ford/GM cars. They always put "America first".

Then like you mentioned with Regan and later Clinton they tried to let the world in and also hoped other countries would let us in. What happened? The wealthiest corporations outsourced EVERYTHING and now we have an issue where are "Ports are fucked".

I don't see any other way out then bringing back manufacturing to the US. Drilling in Alaska/Gulf. No more foreign wars and we direct all those billions and all those "soldiers" into fixing bridges and roads with a FAIR WAGE. Much similar to Roosevelts attempt to put "every man to work". When you drive around the country you see what those MEN built it's amazing.

We can do it again. People are just scared to have to live with less and pay more yet America for 100 years has "ran the world". It's time to close the boarders and put everyone back to work on civil projects/etc.

A lot of what Republicans and Democrats want can't be done because the American people have no faith in them. They are all corrupt and we all know it.

I'm fine with going back to farming in my home state of Illinois. I'm fine with no internet/no TV/no tech. I'm fine with knowing the American dream is dead but if we all bust our asses we can get it back.

I've traveled all throughout India and lots of Asia and even when America looks like total shit to us citizens it's HEAVEN ON EARTH to the people who were under American Imperialism the last 100 years.

edit: Our problems when compared to 3rd world countries are a JOKE and yet people in America complain about the "cost of things". Imagine not ever even having the ability to purchase such a thing. Imagine having zero help. Zero access. Nothing. When I was in southern India I wanted to give a young kid a Snickers bar and my guru looked at me and said, "Please don't. You will give him hope and there is NONE here". Then I come back to America and hear people crying about the wait at Starbucks. Crazy world right?

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 2 2024 07:17pm

Cringe seeing the politicians condemn the morals of the port workers for striking when the outsourcing policy of their corporate masters is the root cause of the disproportionate impacts. They should only blame themselves for setting the prerequisite conditions.

Unfortunately unless ports serving to bolster the Ukraine and Israel efforts are impacted, going to be slow moving before these open up. Prices probably just go up never down once situation reconciled.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Oct 3 2024 06:20am

I find it odd that these port workers were aggressively striking, willing to cripple the supply chain, then after 3 days they quit. Almost as if they were threatened or appeased so as to not disturb the economy before elections.

I would also guess they were appeased.

people have chosen to pay higher prices for american made goods for a long time, likely since the post 9-11 rise in patriotism. tarrifs can and do force more domestic production, and domestric production saves on shipping costs offsetting some of the increase in production. we have also come a long way on automation to offset a lot of the costs and produce things more ethically.

the tariffs where such a good idea Biden kept them, they increased prices at a far lower level than was forecast when Trump suggested them. i find a lot of the "you dont know who pays for tariffs" narratives pretty vapid. anyone with even a lukewarm IQ realizes who pays for tariffs, and they've come down on one side or the other as a result. is hurting your own pocket at the expense of china something you support? thats the question people have answered.

Lots of blame to go around and certainly politicians are first in line.

It's really difficult to get accurate numbers but reportedly some of these port workers are easily clearing 6 figures already. It's a wide range, but to demand massive pay raises with assurance of no automation when you're already clearing 150-200k in metro-region ports like NY, Philly, to me seems is selfish AF. For example from CBS below. Starting at $20 isn't that high IMO, but salary is fast growing with experience. It used to really mean something when you could clear 100k a few years ago, now it's basically middle class.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-dock-workers-make-longshoreman-salary/

The argument is always the same, nurses deserve more money, firemen, cops, dock workers, teachers, literally everyone deserves more money all the time. What's the macro effect of this? Dollar purchasing power going to shit, home prices through the roof, savings being eroded by inflation. I'm getting work done on my house right now and I'm basically paying the equivalent of $50/hour and this honestly i would consider a 'deal' from family members.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 4 2024 12:02pm

Maybe their pay should be a function of how much product the ports move? Their cut of the sales commission. The whole slow it down and leverage the misery is really sustainable

I disagree with this model, because net effect leads to runaway inflation, with everyone thinking they are entitled to a piece of the pie, that in their eyes should always be larger. Should i get a percent of revenue at my job? You at your job? Do we take any personal risks with contributing capital to deserve this profit sharing scheme?

The real path forward for these ports is to have them automated with some guy with a joystick controlling large parts of the movements. These guys are basically luddites seeing what's on the horizon and asking for shit that will only hasten their replacement. It's understandable, i mean in my job i know AI in 5-10 years will probably be able to do like 50-70% of my job but it would be wrong for us to collectivize and try to stop progress. The more money we demand, the more incentive and the more the cost-benefit analysis makes sense to automate.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 4 2024 01:43pm

Doesn't the guy leading this make $900,000 a year already?

Inflation sucks. That is why they want more money.
The people that control this country are screwing them by stealing.
So they retaliate.