Quote (Ghot @ Sep 15 2024 11:33am)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2024 10:12am)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLKRKwmAtt8

Over the weekend star wide receiver and Miami Dolphin Tyreek Hill was detained on his way to the stadium.

He was initially pulled over for what police cite as reckless driving. and police noticed he also wasnt wearing a seatbelt.

the second he rolls his window down he's combative, which is his right. his first mistake however was rolling his window back up, especially because it has such a dark tint.

in this scenario its entirely acceptable for police during a traffic stop to demand he leave his window down, for their safety. what follows however is a mess.

in a matter of 5 seconds or under he's told "keep the window down"...."or i'll get you out of the car"...."matter fact get out the car"....."open the door".

then a 2nd officer barges in, opens the door, pulls tyreek out, and pushes him to the ground. not an assault, but too aggressive and too fast to be in line with training guidelines.

later in the stop he's given about 1 second to sit down before he's pushed into sitting on the curb. the same aggressive officer goes on to threaten and give conflicting commands to tyreek's team mates who pulled over.

as we often see in these situations legal but unadvisable behavior sets off the most aggressive officer in the bunch, who then goes on to escalate the situation without any other officers stepping in to deescalate. all it would take is one cool headed officer, and there were several present, asking the clearly agitated officer to clear the perimeter or step off to contact dispatch for a superior officer on site. there was a crowd gathering and someone needed to do that anyways. instead they all sit back and allow a cop to stay hot even while the suspect is in cuffs and danger is off the table.

unfortunately we dont have video of tyreeks driving which apparently prompted the stop, as cams seem to trigger on once they initiate the stop.

tl;dr guy in a wife beater swerving lanes gets pulled over in a mclaren with blacked out windows, on the cell phone during the stop tries to roll up windows. lazily responds to lawful but aggressive commands, and overzealous officer escalates the situation well above what is warranted.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 20 2024 04:59am)

Hill had already complied by providing his license (seen on video), rolled up the window on what already a hot (over 90) day with high humidity, and became justifiably upset when a roid raging cop beat on the window of his half million dollar car. All of which were within his rights. Pigs need to do better.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 20 2024 06:59am)

Hill had already complied by providing his license (seen on video), rolled up the window on what already a hot (over 90) day with high humidity, and became justifiably upset when a roid raging cop beat on the window of his half million dollar car. All of which were within his rights. Pigs need to do better.

Quote (thesnipa @ 20 Sep 2024 16:08)

I dont disagree. this falls in the window of what a person can do that is advisable vs illegal. his behavior was not advisable, but perfectly legal.

the only gray area comes in if "roll down your window" and "keep your window rolled down" are legal commands, and how long legally someone has in a matter of seconds to respond.

if they're legal commands fine, but there's no chance he was given a legal amount of time to comply. thats one of the worst aspects, he was given almost zero time to comply repeatedly while receiving conflicting commands. his widow tint may also be illegal, but thats a silly law imo.

super overzealous officer, and far too timid of cooperating officers who let him run wild. hefty settlement coming, and if hill is smart he'd donate it to some cause, my choice would be public defenders.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 20 2024 09:08am)

I dont disagree. this falls in the window of what a person can do that is advisable vs illegal. his behavior was not advisable, but perfectly legal.

the only gray area comes in if "roll down your window" and "keep your window rolled down" are legal commands, and how long legally someone has in a matter of seconds to respond.

if they're legal commands fine, but there's no chance he was given a legal amount of time to comply. thats one of the worst aspects, he was given almost zero time to comply repeatedly while receiving conflicting commands. his widow tint may also be illegal, but thats a silly law imo.

super overzealous officer, and far too timid of cooperating officers who let him run wild. hefty settlement coming, and if hill is smart he'd donate it to some cause, my choice would be public defenders.

Quote (SBD @ Sep 20 2024 09:40am)

Raising a tinted window on an officer clearly infringes on officer safety in my opinion (not taking a legal take here just my opinion) and I think its pretty reasonable and most would agree that when you decide to re-shroud yourself after being stopped by an officer clearly poses as a threat.

People also need to do better, did this officer also need to do better with commands, yes, but any reasonable person also who wouldn't roll their tinted window up in a cops face would also avoid the situation.

Clearly morons all around, but if you're a cop and you have some irate individual roll up a window where you can no longer see, seems pretty justified given what can happen and has happened before (cops being shot during a stop from a gun in a glove box).

Now from a legal view there's probably different actions an officer can take depending on what the person was pulled off for, traffic stop for speeding vs. vehicle suspected in robbery for instance and I am sure that will play in Hill's favour from a legal perspective.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 20 2024 11:04am)

I subscribe to the camp that believes orders aren't lawful merely because they pass through an officer's lips. I think they have to be in furtherance of the law or public safety. I agree raising the window was inadvisable. But I've seen a lot of videos of dudes at DUI checkpoints holding their papers up to the rolled-up glass for the cops to see to think such commands are lawful.



I'd normally agree, but he had already handed over his ID, making any such claims of fearing for safety to be contrived.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 20 2024 01:04pm)

I subscribe to the camp that believes orders aren't lawful merely because they pass through an officer's lips. I think they have to be in furtherance of the law or public safety. I agree raising the window was inadvisable. But I've seen a lot of videos of dudes at DUI checkpoints holding their papers up to the rolled-up glass for the cops to see to think such commands are lawful.



I'd normally agree, but he had already handed over his ID, making any such claims of fearing for safety to be contrived.