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Sep 6 2024 05:53am
Were children murdered in cold blood? Yes
The boy who did it obviously responsible for his own actions and should be held accountable period
The father LET his child have ACCESS to the gun.so he is responsible to
You questioning this and also comparing this to drunk driving shows me how little seriousness you are showing this situation that is completely different then a car accident
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Sep 6 2024 06:12am
Quote (NerdLord @ Sep 6 2024 11:53am)
Were children murdered in cold blood? Yes
The boy who did it obviously responsible for his own actions and should be held accountable period
The father LET his child have ACCESS to the gun.so he is responsible to
You questioning this and also comparing this to drunk driving shows me how little seriousness you are showing this situation that is completely different then a car accident


Parents allow access to toxic chemicals and over the counter pharmaceuticals.
How about a kitchen knife, hell what about a fork or butter knife.
How about a pencil or pen, something students carry with them.

If a child murders a school mate with a pencil, Is the parent responsible in your eyes?

This post was edited by Mondain on Sep 6 2024 06:12am
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Parents allow access to toxic chemicals and over the counter pharmaceuticals.
How about a kitchen knife, hell what about a fork or butter knife.
How about a pencil or pen, something students carry with them.

If a child murders a school mate with a pencil, Is the parent responsible in your eyes?


I'm not talking about that I'm talking about guns meant to kill a lot of people/things quickly
Comparing it to those objects takes away how dangerous the weapon really is
Not keeping the weapons inaccessible from your own kid is massive neglect
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Quote (NerdLord @ Sep 6 2024 12:58pm)
I'm not talking about that I'm talking about guns meant to kill a lot of people/things quickly
Comparing it to those objects takes away how dangerous the weapon really is
Not keeping the weapons inaccessible from your own kid is massive neglect


So you have a double standard for firearms but not the plethora of other objects that could be used for mass death?
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Quote (Mondain @ 6 Sep 2024 09:02)
So you have a double standard for firearms but not the plethora of other objects that could be used for mass death?


One was made for it and is wayyyyy better at it
Nothing double standard about it
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Quote (Mondain @ 6 Sep 2024 09:02)
So you have a double standard for firearms but not the plethora of other objects that could be used for mass death?


Here let me try it your way
If the government doesn't keep a nuclear weapon secure and it gets stolen and used to blow up a large city
Government shouldn't be held accountable?
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Sep 6 2024 07:41am
Every active shooter has multiple things in common

Introvert
Broken home
Typically liberal

I’ll tell you how the cycle goes

Kids (probably autistic) grow up in broken homes, where the single parent is selfish and self serving (divorced), and their outlet becomes something like discord where they chat with similar minded people. They don’t know how to talk to girls and get angry about this. They are exposed to shit like Superbad where they go “wow that’s me.. why don’t I ever win in the end”. Also while looking at half naked whores walking down the hallways and shaking their ass on subway commercials. They vent their frustrations on discord to other losers who further infuriate them by saying things like this shouldn’t happen.

So the kid decides to take matters into his own hands to “get back” at the kids who reject him.

Introversion, divorce, sexual frustration and the internet are a recipe for disaster.


My fix
1. Require all women to wear some type of covering
2. Ban most movies
3. Ban most music
4. Limit access to internet
5. Ban access to social media
6. Arranged marriages
7. Make divorce illegal
8. Adulatory would be a death sentence
9. Ban all forms of sexual delinquency (I.e homosexuality)

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Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 5 2024 09:52pm)
Today brought two charging decisions in the school shooting from yesterday

The 14 year old gunman was arrested and charged as an adult
His father was also arrested, and charged with murder, held responsible for the actions of his minor son

Now of course there's the obvious infringement on the 2nd amendment posed by charging people with crimes for their legal possession of firearms, illegally used by someone else without the owner's knowledge.
And the general question of how any person can be held culpable for actions that the FBI had determined were not foreseeable, without knowledge or intent
But more direct is the conflict of the above statements:

How can a child simultaneously be held as an adult responsible for his own actions, and also as a minor for whom a parent bears responsibility?


Trying to stir the JSP pot are we, with your rhetorical argumentative style loaded question that you seem to have answers for, but asked JSP anyway? :banana:

How can the justice system be perverted to the point that it can be used to attack a political candidate?

They do what they want.
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Sep 6 2024 08:44am
The person who pulls the trigger and kills someone is the only person who should be charged, unless others helped orchestrate.

Also, leaving your gun out in the open inside your home is not helping orchestrate a shooting. Period.
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Quote (PapaPsych @ Sep 6 2024 01:22am)
What about the crumbleys in MI their firearm was locked up and the kid got into it anyways.
They were given no legal foot to stand on despite neither of them violating the law they were charged with.


Perhaps i'm not being clear, If the kid was able to access it it was not secure. Just because i've tied A knot around something doesn't Make it secure.
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