While i dont disagree, i do think that the 2024 climate has more power to pull swing voters than typical elections. just because of unprecedented inflation and border issues. 10k migrant per day numbers are insane, and 150% increases in grocery bills cant be ignored by a lot of people. being told the opposition wants to murder trans people doesnt do much to change that. i personally didnt think i'd ever consider voting for trump, and figured id vote blue in 2024. right now im about 75% RFK and 25% trump.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 14 2024 01:31pm

It seems like polarization is at all time highs to me as well, and consistently validated by older folk from a variety of political backgrounds. The fear of civil unrest, real or legitimate seems at peak for most living. The day before Trump assassination attempt someone who I typically discount as maga conspiracy nut was speculating he would be assassinated, given the success in the debate and Biden glitching out.

I think the polarization is already too far gone for either side to settle on election results unless one side has huge margin. The last week has been most surprising for me, from MN with Walz being paraded around. Many of my peer love the guy, but any legitimate critique is met with absolute irrational hate and strawman man. When people cheer free lunch, I say would be nice if 5 day school as well and they go nuclear. When an independent can't raise an issue and advocate action among a democratic priority, that tells me people are beyond critical thinking.

Rant aside, wish we could vote now get it done with. Emotions gonna boil over in meantime

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Aug 14 2024 01:42pm

Well there's your dilemma, I doubt many people are sitting there debating between Kamala and RFK so while a vote for RFK is a vote for RFK, its also essentially a vote swing for Kamala and if people don't want Kamala in they might have to EU it and abandon any other candidates completely.

kinda, i voted blue in the 2020 election, and only voted independent in 2016 because i thought my vote wouldnt matter (it did kinda, trump won by a very slim margin in WI). i voted for evan mcmullin in 2016.

so my presumptive vote in 2024 was blue again, rfk vote means she loses a vote. and ive talked to a lot of people like myself, some typical dems who might not vote, some who might vote for RFK, and actually quite a few voting for trump due specifically to inflation concerns and the border. they're still outpaced by dug in partisans, but its been a surprising political climate so far, before and after the biden drop out.

So why do you view team blue as the lesser of two evils?

i dont. ive voted about 50-50 in my voting history between red and blue.

There might be less true swing voters/true independents than ever, but the margins by which elections are decided have also gotten ridiculously slim.

All 6 presidential elections this century saw at least 100 million votes cast for the Democratic and Republican candidates, yet 4 of those 6 could have been turned on their head by flipping less than 75k votes in the right places.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 14 2024 03:01pm

That's a lie. Democrats and Kamala said there's no issues at the border. So we'll call it a conspiracy theory.