Disagree on a few things, the bolded are not accurate interpretation of the Christian faith. The Bible is God inspired and Christ is no seeking perfection but is perfection and the whole point of the faith is not to be internal looking for answers, but realize that without a savior we are all sinners destined for death. The point of the ten commandments was to show how we actually fall short and can never actually keep the law, that is why Jesus has to come and die and serve as the sacrifice.

As far as Trump seeking Christian backing. I don't really think he explicitly seeks it, but he inherits most of it by default, simply by being a republican. The democrats in many respects have positioned themselves to be anti-Christian. There's a lot of examples to point to, but things like LGBTQ issues, minimizing the role of the father and a cohesive family unit another, plenty of others examples that I don't care to list out. Point is, the Christians voting for Trump aren't really endorsing his sins, because obviously he's sinful, all of us are. What this guy tries to do is somehow rank Trumps sins as higher so therefore a good Christian wouldn't vote for Trump and if they do they're hypocrites. Unfortunately for him, he's too dumb to actually understand basics about the faith, or why Christians tend to gravitate towards republicans.

Exactly my point. Up to your interpretation of the scripture itself. You end up making sense of it all not "God". God inspired? Of course it is. Written by the literate and powerful of Jesus's time. The "English" interpretations from the original Aramaic is terrible. Unless you read the Bible in the original language that Jesus spoke you are getting a watered down version of the truth. The same is true in Hinduism and it's root language Sanskrit. You can read an "English translation" but it's a far-cry from when you actually study the language and then read it in it's original form.

That being said I support the Christian faith one hundred percent and as someone who was raised Catholic and then studied ALL religions I can tell you that no Christian needs to do what I did to get a better relationship with Jesus Christ. This is why I tell people that I needed to dig deeper to gain a relationship with Christ. Most people need not study any other religion then the one they were born into. All paths lead to God just as all rivers empty into the ocean.

In Vedanta(Hindu philosophy) my Swami never asked me to denounce my faith in Christ. He in fact told me I didn't need to read any other scripture be it Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh/Tao/Dao etc. because he who already has faith in Christ needs no other means of realizing God. Christ is enough.

What upsets me is there are so many people I know (friends/family/public) who think doing the bare minimum is enough for Christ. Jesus Christ gave everything and he imprinted his SOUL on the SOULS of all beings. He is a Solar Logos. The physical manifestation of God in the human form. All other religions have great reverence for him. In all eastern philosophy he is seen as the "great teacher".

But he(Christ) does not have exclusive ownership of the "truth". This is the spiritual egotism of the Abrahamic faiths. Until you study Jesus through the eyes of other faiths it's nearly impossible to see. People saying "Christ is the only way" are ignorant and full of the same hubris Jesus himself denounced as heresy.

This goes right up to the present day and the "fools" who make a mockery of the faith by immoral action. So when the OP says "Trump is a pretty deep sinner" he is 100% accurate but it's not up to you to tally the deeds of man.

This goes into the metaphor of Jesus in the desert with Satan being tempted by all the worldly things. Are you not Jesus wandering the world attempting to avoid the same material temptations as he was(even worse today). Yes. That's why Christ said to look within for the "Kingdom of Heaven is within you". He's saying that your mind/heart and his mind/heart are BRIDGED and that through him all things are possible. Then ask yourself. Are people really of "Christ" if they do NOTHING of what he himself said?

I find it funny how they used the number of people to be saved at 144,000. Most people will relate this to "world populations at that time" but for me personally it's the whole notion that only a small percentage(less then .05%) end up truly walking as Christ did. I don't think I'm one of those 144,000 and I'm a good person. Even funnier people who sin relentlessly think "If I just repent and say I'm sorry God will forgive me". The real question is can you forgive yourself for being unperfect. Can you forgive the devil? God did.

The Bible like any other religious story is filled with inner meaning that is suppose to simply guide you into being a better being not a perfect one(as you mentioned). The gospel(good news) is that Christ did it and through him so can you.

Continuing in this vein, Vivekananda went on to quote from the Bhagavad Gita: "As different streams having their sources in different places all mingle their waters in the sea, so, Oh Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to Thee.

Tds would be ignoring your entire belief system that tells you what a moral person is to join basically the cult of a man who spits in the face of all of those principles.
Do you know how many people pray to God for trump to win and then brag about it?
That is trump derangement.
I understand Christianity FAR better than you ever will, I was raised in it and I saw the darkest corners of it, things that would make you hide under your bed and never want to come out.

All religions have some bad people just like all countries have some bad people. Just saying

I was born in it, raised in it. I didn't see an atheist till I was already a man and then it was nothing but blinding! Also I find it funny that xhristcucks somehow scared you.

As for this thread: yes, homosexuals will burn in hell for eternity but don't worry, plenty of regular folks are going to be sharing in the fun just the same!

You see my friend, I've come to find that many gay people don't like the idea of their sexuality being the sole reason for their biblical demise, so they do what you are trying to do; claim that the Bible doesn't outright ban homosexuality, or that it's not that bad compared to other sinful acts.

Trumps going to hell. Most "Christians" are going to hell. Most people are going to hell. Repent for your sins before its too late my friend because remember, eternity is forever!

Well i rule out any that have them and claim to be the one true religion and a moral standard, it has left me as an atheist but i see no way to reconcile what the church did to me with the text of the bible.
But we are being distracted here, the question for this thread is how do christians reconcile their beliefs whilst holding cult like devotion to a man who is an antithesis to them?
How can so many people hate gay people for existing whilst also worshipping a man who sins like it is his profession?
Trump treats the 7 deadly sins as a bucket list and the 10 commandments as a how to guide.

I get that the bible says no one is perfect but where does it say to idolise someone who embodies all it decries?

Most people don't see everything around them through a religious lens. Rooting for a politician, based on political arguments, doesn't mean you endorse everything the man himself has done.

I don't reallys think you're asking a serious question though, it seems pretty apparent that it's just a way to showcase your hate for Trump and Christianity - which is fine, albeit a bit dishonest.

All politicians are dirtbags not just Trump, he's an outlier by the way who wouldn't stand a chance if the establishment did a better job keeping their voters happy.

That's the main issue right there, not Christianity, not Donald Trump

I think a few politicians are moral individuals, on the left bernie and on the right Ron Paul would be examples.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Jul 13 2024 05:36pm

A number of figures in the bible repented after doing some or all of these things. To pin one of those sins on a person without considering the situation at hand and the state of society of that time in history seems a bit pointless.

At the same time. I don't think there are many people who would say that Trump is not a misogynist by his historical actions. Most religious folk, or people in general, would fall in this category and simply say "choice A is better than choice B after looking at everything."