No, and the main argument is that China didn't help NK for a reason, while it's a bric of the brick. This is a specific situation, and the only solution is to get rid of Putin as fast as possible.



It appears pretty clear that NK is about to get decisive technical assistance from Putin's regime, Iran is also on the list.
Once again: delete Putin as quick as possible. Clear enough.

disagree. you can keep saying it's clear but it isn't.

Btw the pro-putin multi said it very clearly: Blueprints, they will have more and more engineers and high technical background, ending up to give them the famous ICBMs able to strike onto -your house basically-
So More american freedom healthcare to Ukraine is required, hurry up lol.

I can beat my cat to death at any time, will i though?

This is not a bad take.

North Korea needs food and access to tech that Russia can provide.

Russia needs access to cheap labour that can produce artillery shells which North Koreans know how to produce. Maybe they will even teach them how to make Shaheds.

North Koreans will hopefully be able to make a living wage workign for Russia and travel to Russia to see a bit of the world outside (and possibly escape!).

Not but you can look at it right into the eyes, every single fucking day and say: "do you see my foot?"
Which is definitely something i would not want to happen. Regards lol.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jun 20 2024 01:00pm

It means that Russia and China are effectively pooling their resources. Like you said later on, it was historically China's job to keep North Koreans fed. Now Russia and China are in alignment and Russia is aiding the DPRK in exchange for weapons, but Russia is also being more proactive about assisting the North Korean weapons programs than China was ever willing. And China is allowing all this now. Its an axis being formed on economic, diplomatic and military cooperation, all at the same time. That absolutely does acceleration the North Korean nuclear threat- even if its just improving the quality and quantity of supposed ICBMs and nukes they already have. But just like we gave up on ever invading north korea, the threat we're facing isn't them nuking us, its us being hedged out of a new world order as the majority of the planet aligns against western interests.

As I said in the OP, most of these countries had deep seated reasons to fight amongst each other and instead are being united as an anti-western force. But the same isn't true for the US allies, who have been fracturing under internal pressures like Brexit, Hungary, Turkey, etc. Having Russia and China and their satellites allied against us, and then aligning the other major poles of the world, most notably India, if not overtly opposed to us, definitely not our allies- makes the world so much smaller for us. Our competitors are in confederacy, our allies are fair weather friends. What % of the world population either opposed or abstained or refused to appear at the farcical ukrainian "peace summit" in the alps?

And to that point- it isn't about the superficial dynamics of 'kim fires a nuke, we shoot it down, china doesn't help, kim knows he won't so he doesn't fire a nuke in the first place'. Its not about the immediacy of military threat
its about the threat that once the map has been drawn, the axis won't need a world war, they can win the peace too. China taking over most of Africa, Iran spreading tendrils across the mideast, Russia scooping up natural resources, a lot of the unaligned world leaning their way


The soviets had the same general defense pact with North Korea that Putin just revived yesterday, it lasted until 1990 with their fall. Like NATO it was ostensibly a defensive alliance, which is itself a warning of whats possible
If waning powers become more fractious and isolated and ascendant powers are pooling their resources, who is more likely to throw the first stone?

South Korea is reconsidering sending arms zo Ukraine now:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-russia-putin-kim-treaty-south-korea-reconsiders-ukraine-weapons-ban/

The US is sending its envoy to Vietnam after Putin's visit:

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-envoy-kritenbrink-to-visit-vietnam-on-heels-of-putin-visit-9405088/

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jun 20 2024 02:25pm

firstly id point out the soviets openly supported NK post korean war as a budding communist state. that veil was shed when the Kim passed leadership to his son, nothing less communist than nepotism and monarchial passage of power. but even post open relations and through the fall of the soviet union its been alleged russia has supported NK. they're one of the few areas that openly had diplomatic relations with NK, against western wishes, and they have kept them afloat allegedly a few times in return for raw materials.

i still fail to see how the non-western axis gains enough capital to not need the west. as long as they stay a seller nation economy they can't stop being friendly to the west. china does a good job sitting in the fence but i think if ww3 broke out today they'd side with the west. they cant feed their people even if russia somehow won with their help and Iran's involvement.

we hear often about the threat of eastern creep of nato, and with good reason, but even pre-Ukraine the USA and west controlled the board. we still do. come back in 50 or 100 years and maybe ill change my opinion. given the demographics of both areas i doubt it tho, once we shed the boomers we'll see an insane economic boom decades ahead of china correcting their population curve imo.