On the contrary and you know it, #D1shonesty

I've been supporting negotiations from the very beginning (fact)

When I posted combat related stuff it was in reply to the usual combat related footage coming from users like you celebrating losses to Russia by Ukrainians using Western weapons (sick).

Also I've pointed out numerous times that further escalations wouldn't solve the issue and happily pointed out that stupidity when it became painfully clear that the West couldn't even keep up with Russian shell production and you've been massively coping ever since




Azov brigade is a far right Ukrainian brigade and the US had laws in place to prevent the arming of these neo-nazi brigades --> Fact

Thank you

The United States and its Western Allies has largely ignored the endemic problem associated with the Ultra Far Right minority which exists in Ukrainian culture. Prior to the breakout of the war there were numerous instances where the Neo-Nazi tendencies in Ukraine were called out. Once the war began it was not convenient to highlight that we were supporting Neo Nazi's.

This is not a new dawn. Before WW2 the US had significant economic investment in Germany and viewed Germany as a key player in Europe to buffer Soviet communism. i.e. they would get into bed with anyone and anything to get their way. To expand on this, the US knew of Nazi atrocities and basically showed a blind eye to this, in much the same way they would ignore Ukrainian as it serves their foreign interest first and foremost.

It was not and fortnight that US and EU leaders stood at DDay celebrations in Normandy honouring those fallen in World War 2 only to fly home and arm Nazis again in a strange and twisted repetition of history.

FDR campaigned on a promise that your boys will not die a european war. Nazism wasn't mainstream but it was popular enough in America that a fully fledged Nazi rally was held in Madison Square Garden. Hitler still had an uphill battle getting support when the public was more hostile than not to the same country we fought in ww1, but even if we didn't view Germany as a potential ally we absolutely turned a blind eye to their extremism when the public overwhelmingly supported the neutrality acts- to initially arm neither Nazis nor the rest of Europe. It was two years of total neutrality, then 2 years of a cash and carry exception to help the west, and we explicitly sided against Japan. Then we finally started to overtly arm the allies.

We are two years into the (hot) war in Ukraine, we spent a decade arming our proxy state- more under Trump than Obama was willing to- but until this week we at least kept up a charade that we would vet our weapons deliveries only to whatever farce is supposed to be this decade's version of Hillary's pro-democracy sunni freedom fighters. We're losing the war, and now we've abandoned even that pretense. It begs the question of why we'd bother saying the quiet part our loud when we could continue arming Nazis surrepticiously, yet the Biden administration has taken the bold step of directly arming Nazi war criminals as official US policy for the first time in American history.

Perhaps early into the war it was acceptable to think Russia could be run out of Ukraine.

where we sit not it's clear we're just pouring billions into Ukraine while the men of the country are ground into dust and the nation is destroyed. Top US brass can't be naïve enough to think total victory is possible and Russia will leave Donbas and flee back to Moscow.

so the best guess is they are now aware the war is essentially lost, but they're hoping to drag it out far enough that Russia's population gets the same distaste for war that US citizens got in the Iraq/Afghanistan conflicts to brew some domestic unease towards Russia.

bit odd however given Russia is unlikely to start another war, in comparison to the US that can find a war like a 10/10 woman can get a free drink in any bar.

and all to eventually get a treaty, lose donbas anyways, and declare not NATO in ukraine. which wasnt ever going to get NATO membership anyways.

if it goes on into 2025 and trump wins the war will likely end in a day, if not who knows.

Eventually the war has to end. There will be some kind of peace treaty, the donbas will go to Russia, whatever NATO status winds up in Ukraine- but then what? What happens to Ukraine?
We poured heavy weaponry to the Taliban in Afghanistan to fight the soviets without a thought for the future. We gave weapons to the Sunni militias in Iraq and Syria. We are giving everything from small arms to long range missiles to Nazis in Ukraine
What's our exit strategy, our plan for 10 years, 20 years down the line? A group of extremist militants with a fatalist worldview that gives them reason to commit terrorist attacks and atrocities- some of which they've already done in this war- is going to be left as a heavily armed group right on the fringe of the EU


I'd say the end to the war is increasingly inevitable, its a question of what's going to come next.

all of those conflicts are different, we were forced to exit all of them because they turned on us. we're not there, our weapons are. whenever zelensky takes over what ever is left we wont be there in the same capacity. and we have a massive IOU, we didnt loan or sell weapons to the taliban, at least not officially. we were given access to the opium fields but that's not the same as a contract.

frankly im surprised biden didnt force a peace earlier to start recouping funds, but perhaps thats a ploy he's saving for closer to voting day. id expect to see a peace deal announced by october to pump his numbers. the optics of trump calling ukranians nazis falls on deaf ears and moves the needle zero.

I thought the nazi party stopped being a thing a long time ago no?

You must not be Argentinian.

There is a lot of room between achieving maximalist goals ("driving Russia out of every square mile of Ukrainian territory") and total defeat. If Ukraine was able to hold all of its territory except for the Donbass and Crimea, that would still be quite the success for them. Even stopping Russian advances from here on out and holding what they control today would be a semi-good outcome for them.

Should America give 80b to Al-Qaeda

Control the bad guys

Destabilize the opposition

"Fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them here"

This post was edited by Mondain on Jun 13 2024 03:19pm