Trump gets convicted. Trump gets sentenced to years in prison. That sentence is suspended pending appeals, which drag on past the election (at which point its irrelevant how they come down, bit it would be thrown out in any sane court and will appeal up to scotus so yeah). Trump posts on truth social nonstop about how he's being persecuted and Republicans stick by him and denounce the trial and maybe the truckers stage another impotent boycott of NYC. Biden campaigns on it and calls Trump a convicted felon in his ads

i have no problem exposing myself to the risk that some people are going to think i've gone full tinfoil-hat mode when i mention the deep state.


there's an abundance of information/history we can look at to demonstrate the influence and power of the deep state. biden's social media is ran by social media managers, not biden, and it's consistent with the pattern of him always reading from teleprompters. if we could place a bet on whether or not biden reaches the diagnostic criteria/thresholds for Alzheimer's or Dementia, my money would be on him meeting these thresholds. if biden is/was in power, what should or should've happened is him being taken *out* of power by the people closest to him. in other words, if he's actually calling the shots and performing his presidential operations daily, and we're actually relying on him to do a good job, the only way to maintain the integrity or consistency of our presidential output would have been to knock biden out of the 2020 race during the primaries; biden's neurological decline isn't exactly a new phenomenon. biden has not been in a real position of power, or to be more accurate, biden doesn't even have autonomy over which script to read from the teleprompter, Capisce?

with me making the claim that the deep state exists, the burden of proof is on me to substantiate my claim, which i've done in the previous paragraph using a few points that are clear, concise, in good faith and it's all information that's out in the open, accessible. if you wish to make a claim or argue against my claim, the burden of proof will then shift to you and you will need to substantiate your argument.

Ah yes, Biden not controlling his own social media = deep state, very good stuff.

If only you knew how few politicians actually manage their social media, but that wouldn't fit your narrative

yeah, all the *establishment* politicians do it--not trump. did you happen to notice trump candidly tweeting away and sharing his thoughts with the world without someone "managing" it? biden's social media presence feels fake; it's the opposite of candid.



the bigger point i have to highlight here is we're desperately in need of some more charitable argumentation on your side. if you condense my thoughts into "biden not controlling his own social media = deep state", you're not only getting into Strawman territory--you're actually making me question your ability to connect the dots and see the bigger picture. not entirely surprising.

are you going to address biden's cognitive decline, the point i made about his autonomy re: what ends up on the teleprompter?

he's a PUPPET, dude. he's a marionette.

i'm going to start to assume you read some bullshit online or watched something on CNN when you carry water for the corrupt media machine by parroting their talking points like, "conservatives believe there's a "deep state", like, how crazy must they be to think that there are government entities operating in the shadows, like, the government is always super open about all the stuff they did with the NSA and what snowden revealed, and the government is always operating in good faith and as a philanthropic force that nurtures and..."or they lie about WMD and fight wars in the middle-east with nothing to show for it other than the politician's investment portfolios.

I just think it's funny how much thought you put into being wrong and believing a conspiracy theory, then assuming I watch CNN because I think You're a crazy person lol

during trump's presidency he had his office post for him a lot on social media, and he also would post. sure biden doesnt even know how to post on twitter, but trump wasnt off the leash entirely either.

You think a president having a social media/PR team is a gotcha? So you genuinely believe it's an appropriate use of a President's time to sit on social media all day? You do realize Trump had an intern that would tweet on his behalf as well right?
You didn't even substantiate your claim in the slightest, provided 0 sources, and considering you don't understand that a President has an administration team to handle things like this I don't think you have enough knowledge to make a proper "Deep State" argument. This was a common talking point for Trump in 2016 so it's not a surprise

you're going to have to dig a lot deeper than that, man. there isn't anything argumentative (i mean it in an academic or debate context)--there isn't anything you're bringing to the table. you're lazily calling me "wrong"

step up to the fucking plate, coach. you drove all the way out here to this game only to fold before you even started.

"during trump's presidency he had his office post for him a lot on social media, and he also would post. sure biden doesnt even know how to post on twitter, but trump wasnt off the leash entirely either."

^ this is a fair point, although i think you risk coming off sounding a bit pedantic, i mean, i don't think anyone was thinking that i was implying nobody other than trump ever touches his twitter. the key point here, is that trump's social media posts give us a pretty fkin unfiltered, direct-from-the-source way of understanding his thought processes, sentiments, it's like we have a *connection* to him



and then this one is a swing and a miss, i mean, if you guys need me to articulate why this is irrelevant and a non-starter of an argument, there's likely too big of a disparity between our political savviness to continue the conversation with any kind of flow. you have to be somewhat fluent if you want to hang with the people who actually, you know, enjoy or seek out political information. you have to be a bit masochistic or psychopathic to have a strong appetite for this stuff.

Sir this is a serious subforum. If you have some actual proof of deep state meddling besides "trust me bro" then by all means go ahead, but this is pretty apparent trolling.

you tell me which of my points is wrong or doesn't make sense, and we can go from there. i'm not claiming to be 100% clear 100% of the time, like if there's a language barrier or something and you aren't able to see any cohesiveness in my argument, go aheand and point out the parts that don't make sense and we can go from there, cuz right now, i assume you're trying to maintain the position that biden *doesn't* have alzheimers or diminished neurological function, and there's already the whole "impossible to prove a negative" aspect of reality. you're trying to swim upstream right now.

don't be lazy. if you're slow at typing, use voice-to-text and run some duels instead of sitting on the sidelines.