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Quote (MildSambal @ Mar 25 2024 12:12pm)
Two reporters, one of whom with a stutter, talked to some Trump fans at a rally, to ask about Trump mocking people with disabilities, including mocking Biden's stutter.

Looked like they looked for people with disabilities. All of them disapproved of Trump belittling people with disabilities but they all will vote for him no matter what. Some of them tried to make excuses or rationalized Trump's behavior.

Near a food truck inside the venue, I struck up a conversation with a woman from Cincinnati named Vanessa Miller. She was wearing a T-shirt that read Jesus Is My Savior, Trump Is My President, and a dog tag inscribed with the serenity prayer. She hadn’t seen, or heard about, the clip of Trump mimicking Biden. “Trump is a good man,” Miller said. “He’s not perfect. Biden is not handicapped. He’s just an ass, and he does not care about this country.” She went on, “If Trump made fun of Biden, well, like I said, he’s not perfect, but it wasn’t about a disability. It was about how he has made this country dysfunctional, not disabled.”

A bit later, she told me that “Biden doesn’t stutter; he’s mentally incapable of running this country.” But then she did something surprising: She reached out and grabbed my arm in a maternal fashion. “And I feel what you’re—I feel what you’re saying,” she said, acknowledging my own stutter. “People that are unkind to people with disabilities, it’s shameful. It’s awful. Absolutely disgusting. And I guess I understand that, like, in an election, you know, it gets ugly, and elections get competitive, and people say things, people do things.”

I unlocked my phone and showed her a video of Trump’s stuttering impression. She turned her focus to the mainstream media in general. She said that “for the press to inflame and use disabilities to get people riled up is exactly what they want.” Nothing would stop her from voting for Trump.

This pattern continued in nearly every interaction that day: skepticism, a momentary denouncement, then an eventual conclusion that Trump was still a man worth their vote. A woman named Susie Michael, who runs a Mathnasium tutoring center, told me, “I don’t appreciate the making-fun-of part, but he doesn’t have to be my best friend. He just has to do the best job for the country and for me. So I have to overlook that, because everybody has their good points and their bad points.”

Shana, a special-education teacher from Indiana who did not give her last name, told me, “​I would still support him because I feel like people make mistakes. They say things they shouldn’t say. And I feel like God is the judge on that, you know, and that we’re to forgive him.” She noted that if Trump were to mock Biden’s stutter at this rally, she’d be inclined to write him a letter saying that “everybody was born of God and that we shouldn’t be making fun of anybody.”


Read in The Atlantic: https://apple.news/AuDomSScxT6epbHHzbsjErA


So what is this mindset, disapprove of certain behavior, then rationalize it, then say they support Trump no matter what?

Mass psychosis?


The high level explanation is that Trump does that to make fun of a lot of people, not just that one reporter.

If voters are still voting for him even if they think Trump made a mistake, it is because they care about other things like legislation more than being polite.

It would be easy to point out similar things about Democratic candidates too. I don't find it cult-like in most cases.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Mar 25 2024 01:24pm
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Quote (MildSambal @ Mar 25 2024 12:12pm)
Two reporters, one of whom with a stutter, talked to some Trump fans at a rally, to ask about Trump mocking people with disabilities, including mocking Biden's stutter.

Looked like they looked for people with disabilities. All of them disapproved of Trump belittling people with disabilities but they all will vote for him no matter what. Some of them tried to make excuses or rationalized Trump's behavior.

Near a food truck inside the venue, I struck up a conversation with a woman from Cincinnati named Vanessa Miller. She was wearing a T-shirt that read Jesus Is My Savior, Trump Is My President, and a dog tag inscribed with the serenity prayer. She hadn’t seen, or heard about, the clip of Trump mimicking Biden. “Trump is a good man,” Miller said. “He’s not perfect. Biden is not handicapped. He’s just an ass, and he does not care about this country.” She went on, “If Trump made fun of Biden, well, like I said, he’s not perfect, but it wasn’t about a disability. It was about how he has made this country dysfunctional, not disabled.”

A bit later, she told me that “Biden doesn’t stutter; he’s mentally incapable of running this country.” But then she did something surprising: She reached out and grabbed my arm in a maternal fashion. “And I feel what you’re—I feel what you’re saying,” she said, acknowledging my own stutter. “People that are unkind to people with disabilities, it’s shameful. It’s awful. Absolutely disgusting. And I guess I understand that, like, in an election, you know, it gets ugly, and elections get competitive, and people say things, people do things.”

I unlocked my phone and showed her a video of Trump’s stuttering impression. She turned her focus to the mainstream media in general. She said that “for the press to inflame and use disabilities to get people riled up is exactly what they want.” Nothing would stop her from voting for Trump.

This pattern continued in nearly every interaction that day: skepticism, a momentary denouncement, then an eventual conclusion that Trump was still a man worth their vote. A woman named Susie Michael, who runs a Mathnasium tutoring center, told me, “I don’t appreciate the making-fun-of part, but he doesn’t have to be my best friend. He just has to do the best job for the country and for me. So I have to overlook that, because everybody has their good points and their bad points.”

Shana, a special-education teacher from Indiana who did not give her last name, told me, “​I would still support him because I feel like people make mistakes. They say things they shouldn’t say. And I feel like God is the judge on that, you know, and that we’re to forgive him.” She noted that if Trump were to mock Biden’s stutter at this rally, she’d be inclined to write him a letter saying that “everybody was born of God and that we shouldn’t be making fun of anybody.”


Read in The Atlantic: https://apple.news/AuDomSScxT6epbHHzbsjErA


So what is this mindset, disapprove of certain behavior, then rationalize it, then say they support Trump no matter what?

Mass psychosis?


Your anecdote seems to prove the opposite of your conclusion. I.e. Trump supporters support Trump even thought they acknowledge he is personally flawed and disagree with his approach both in style and substance.
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Quote (MildSambal @ 25 Mar 2024 14:09)
idk man crime has been popping up even in Wilmette and Winnetka, read the other day some dudes drove a truck through the glass window of a jewelry store last week.


I have a family member who lives in Winnetka it's rarely targeted because in rich suburbs the police have nothing better to do so when they get a call you got 8 cops on you.

Even thugs know about door cams and private security(people/alarms). That's why they just break glass(car/home/business) grab what they can and run. They also do it all in COOK county because they get out of jail free cards there. Not in other surrounding counties whose Mayors HATE Chicago policy with a passion.

When a little old lady gets held at gunpoint in the city no one gives a fuck. Happens in a suburb like Naperville and your royally fucked.

Suburbanites vs City dwellers.

I could walk around for 100 days in my city and never get anything but friendly vibes. Walk around downtown for 10 minutes and could end up dead for "looking at someone the wrong way".

Now all the city dwellers trying to run to the burbs but no one in the burbs selling their houses for that exact reason.

So pay an arm and a leg and live in general safety in the suburbs or pay an arm to live in the city and lose both your legs for no reason. :wallbash:

edit: Now you start to see reverse racism amongst the poor blacks who've always got the shaft and now illegal immigrants getting all the "handouts" they used to get so now even blacks who only vote Democrat are thinking about voting Republican for the 1st time. This is how I know Trump will win in a landslide. The most Democrat faithful jumping off the Biden train and it's not because Biden said, "If you don't vote for me you ain't black". It's actually just they finally realized they were being used as a political pawn to the Democrat party and nothing more.

No more free koolaid for blacks that's only for illegals now. White people don't get koolaid because they are intrinsically racist and bad people whose ancestors owned slaves :wallbash: :rofl:

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 25 2024 02:23pm)
The high level explanation is that Trump does that to make fun of a lot of people, not just that one reporter.

If voters are still voting for him even if they think Trump made a mistake, it is because they care about other things like legislation more than being polite.

It would be easy to point out similar things about Democratic candidates too. I don't find it cult-like in most cases.


I believe it really is more about how the anti-royalist USA has pretty much since its inception established a new aristocracy, just that money rather than blood is the determination of Divine Favour/merit

proven many times over, rules don't apply to Trump and his cultists are quick to come up with justifications for even egregious acts
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I believe it really is more about how the anti-royalist USA has pretty much since its inception established a new aristocracy, just that money rather than blood is the determination of Divine Favour/merit

proven many times over, rules don't apply to Trump and his cultists are quick to come up with justifications for even egregious acts


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Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 25 2024 02:25pm)
Your anecdote seems to prove the opposite of your conclusion. I.e. Trump supporters support Trump even thought they acknowledge he is personally flawed and disagree with his approach both in style and substance.


if acknowledging flaws included accountability for crimes then i'd agree

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3vHVb949l4


that does indeed include left wing politicians and corporate lobbyists that align with them to stir their agenda via sensationalist media
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Quote (MildSambal @ Mar 25 2024 09:12am)
Two reporters, one of whom with a stutter, talked to some Trump fans at a rally, to ask about Trump mocking people with disabilities, including mocking Biden's stutter.

Looked like they looked for people with disabilities. All of them disapproved of Trump belittling people with disabilities but they all will vote for him no matter what. Some of them tried to make excuses or rationalized Trump's behavior.

Near a food truck inside the venue, I struck up a conversation with a woman from Cincinnati named Vanessa Miller. She was wearing a T-shirt that read Jesus Is My Savior, Trump Is My President, and a dog tag inscribed with the serenity prayer. She hadn’t seen, or heard about, the clip of Trump mimicking Biden. “Trump is a good man,” Miller said. “He’s not perfect. Biden is not handicapped. He’s just an ass, and he does not care about this country.” She went on, “If Trump made fun of Biden, well, like I said, he’s not perfect, but it wasn’t about a disability. It was about how he has made this country dysfunctional, not disabled.”

A bit later, she told me that “Biden doesn’t stutter; he’s mentally incapable of running this country.” But then she did something surprising: She reached out and grabbed my arm in a maternal fashion. “And I feel what you’re—I feel what you’re saying,” she said, acknowledging my own stutter. “People that are unkind to people with disabilities, it’s shameful. It’s awful. Absolutely disgusting. And I guess I understand that, like, in an election, you know, it gets ugly, and elections get competitive, and people say things, people do things.”

I unlocked my phone and showed her a video of Trump’s stuttering impression. She turned her focus to the mainstream media in general. She said that “for the press to inflame and use disabilities to get people riled up is exactly what they want.” Nothing would stop her from voting for Trump.

This pattern continued in nearly every interaction that day: skepticism, a momentary denouncement, then an eventual conclusion that Trump was still a man worth their vote. A woman named Susie Michael, who runs a Mathnasium tutoring center, told me, “I don’t appreciate the making-fun-of part, but he doesn’t have to be my best friend. He just has to do the best job for the country and for me. So I have to overlook that, because everybody has their good points and their bad points.”

Shana, a special-education teacher from Indiana who did not give her last name, told me, “​I would still support him because I feel like people make mistakes. They say things they shouldn’t say. And I feel like God is the judge on that, you know, and that we’re to forgive him.” She noted that if Trump were to mock Biden’s stutter at this rally, she’d be inclined to write him a letter saying that “everybody was born of God and that we shouldn’t be making fun of anybody.”


Read in The Atlantic: https://apple.news/AuDomSScxT6epbHHzbsjErA


So what is this mindset, disapprove of certain behavior, then rationalize it, then say they support Trump no matter what?

Mass psychosis?


Do you feel this dynamic is unique to Trump, or emblematic of a system as a whole?
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Quote (MildSambal @ Mar 25 2024 03:45pm)
that does indeed include left wing politicians and corporate lobbyists that align with them to stir their agenda via sensationalist media


Ahh, so you hate the upper classes for their legal and career immunity overall. I can't disagree with that.

Although the fact that they are on a certain political slant did give them a bunch of immunity. I don't see you up-in-arms-over that.

The one good thing I will say about America is that it is easier to be a millionaire here than it is anywhere else in the world. Except maybe China. Can't be mad at millionaires if you become one.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 25 2024 02:51pm)
Do you feel this dynamic is unique to Trump, or emblematic of a system as a whole?


Emblematic of a system as a whole for sure
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