do you know how hard it is to get a gun in Japan? youre not making the argument you think youre making



the second amendment doesnt permit someone to have an unregistered gun without a permit in Hawaii and to carry that weapon in public...unless youre arguing about something else? IMO the right to carry doesnt supersede gun safety laws. if you want to own a gun you better do it legitimately

Way to be dishonest and completely misrepresent what was at issue. The 2A absolutely permits people to carry (bear) arms. The HI constitution can grant greater protections/rights than the federal constitution, but it CANNOT lessen them. The supremacy clause is at play here.



Rights ALWAYS supersede laws.

This post was edited by Santara on Feb 10 2024 11:55am

Japan no guns and the reasons for not having access to guns aren't the same as our constitutionally bound right to possess a firearm?

Hawaii trying to infringe upon a constitutional right because their state is overrun by mostly rich white liberals just like your California. Shocker!

I still find it funny how you are from Cali and I'm from Chicago and both are plagued by the negative consequences of "gun restrictions" and "gun safety laws" because heavily armed gangs with unregistered guns rob and murder people in the street and in some cases broad daylight.

Wonder if the Asian Triad gang members who control a major part of the Hawaiin drug/gun trade will benefit from this?

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Feb 10 2024 11:29am

How many 'may issue' permits do you think have ever been issued in Hawaii history? Theres a reason the supreme court strikes down states trying to jim crow their way around the 2nd amendment, and last I checked the federal supreme court supercedes state supreme courts on issues of federal law and the federal constitution.

Hawaii has no authority to nullify federal laws much less constitutional rights, and the spirit of aloha doesnt override the dictum of the supreme court

what negative consequences? California has one of the lowest gun violence rates in the nation, 44th of out 50. do you know what state has the lowest gun violence rate? ....Hawaii! lol
I dont know whats going on in Illinois so its not my place to say

gun violence is rampant in red states that have loose gun control laws. i do truly respect the 2a and if you want to have a gun you should be able to own one but the data bears out that more controls == lower violence rates, full stop

1) Infringement on the right to bear arms. No matter how little is the worst consequence.

2) Secondly most gun crimes committed involve a stick-up with no shots fired. i.e the gun isn't used as lethal force it's used as a fear tactic to take advantage of someone who is likely UNARMED.

3) Gun crime statistics are skewed for a multitude of reasons. I.e the crimes are committed with an unregistered "ghost" gun and in most cases go unreported.

4) In Chicago in recent years they stopped reporting the ethnicity of the people involved in gun crimes because they were almost all black on black. Gang on gang. They refuse to admit that the average "white hog" as you say it isn't going around shooting people. They then give massive coverage anytime a deranged white person is involved in a mass shooting but if a black dude kills a few black people it doesn't get reported as I said. I actually met a gang hitman in real life(051 Melly/Gravedigger a known black disciple) when I met King Louis( known Gangster Disciple) at a studio in Chicago with a cousin of mine. Had well over 10 confirmed kills against his "opps" and was just chilling in a studio. He finally got arrested but not before killing what some people estimate as 30 people. He would still be on the street shooting at cops and killing ops if his "crew" didn't make music talking about it.

5) I'm just saying that the whole "gun debate" has too many variables for proactive solutions. When I go to Chicago I'm carrying. I'm sure if you were in a bad area of Cali you'd do the same. No matter what statistics say that doesn't mean your immune to gun violence.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Feb 10 2024 01:17pm

That's fine in Japan. Because they actually keep their streets & country safe and are vehemently racist such that those types aren't allowed to immigrate

+1 I was going to say the same. If you aren't Asian you'll stick out like a sore thumb.

I'm sure most remember this too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/photo-gun-used-kill-japanese-pm-shinzo-abe-home-made-2022-7

These types of scenarios too sadly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagamihara_stabbings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Feb 10 2024 01:57pm