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Feb 11 2024 02:52pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Feb 6 2024 06:35pm)
What they are currently doing is also bad.

Why should politicians give American money to foreigners?


We live in an interdependent and interconnected world, so it's not a question of whether "American money goes to foreigners", but instead in what way(s) that it is done.
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We live in an interdependent and interconnected world, so it's not a question of whether "American money goes to foreigners", but instead in what way(s) that it is done.


No.

I don't care if the world Americans live in is "interdependent and interconnected". American money shouldn't go towards foreigners, period.

Globalization is a pile of shit. Stop rationalizing the hemorrhaging of American wealth.

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No.

I don't care if the world Americans live in is "interdependent and interconnected". American money shouldn't go towards foreigners, period.

Globalization is a pile of shit. Stop rationalizing the hemorrhaging of American wealth.


There is no way to remain completely insular.
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There is no way to remain completely insular.


That is debatable.

And even if it's not possible, we can still all agree that American money should benefit Americans, instead of foreigners. If we have the political will, then it can be done.
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Quote (JessiWan @ Feb 11 2024 01:33pm)
That is debatable.

And even if it's not possible, we can still all agree that American money should benefit Americans, instead of foreigners. If we have the political will, then it can be done.


There are ways in which utilizing our funds that benefits non-American citizens ends up being to the collective benefit of America and its citizens.
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There are ways in which utilizing our funds that benefits non-American citizens ends up being to the collective benefit of America and its citizens.


Those things happen rarely. Are you talking about sending foreign nations money so as to earn good will?
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We live in an interdependent and interconnected world, so it's not a question of whether "American money goes to foreigners", but instead in what way(s) that it is done.


With that reasoning, why is it only a one way deal? They take take take and never give?
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Quote (JessiWan @ Feb 11 2024 01:41pm)
Those things happen rarely. Are you talking about sending foreign nations money so as to earn good will?


I think it happens constantly. One such example is that the providing of more antiquated stockpiles to aid Ukraine has allowed for one of our largest geopolitical rivals (Russia) to reveal important wartime capacity information to the US, deplete their own resources, and experience economic backlash from the West all without having to utilize our most modern equipment or suffer military personnel injury or loss.

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With that reasoning, why is it only a one way deal? They take take take and never give?


I don't see it as a one-way deal, personally. Having an Earth full of stable, sustainable countries is a benefit to everyone--including the US. Not having such contextualizes in-part why we have a southern border crisis and not a northern border crisis.

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"if you read the article"


Tall order considering the target

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I think it happens constantly. One such example is that the providing of more antiquated stockpiles to aid Ukraine has allowed for one of our largest geopolitical rivals (Russia) to reveal important wartime capacity information to the US, deplete their own resources, and experience economic backlash from the West all without having to utilize our most modern equipment or suffer military personnel injury or loss.




Technically, that's not giving money to Ukraine. You guys are simply finding another use for your old stockpiles. It sounds like an incidental benefit. If this is the best example you can come up with, maybe you should simply admit that giving foreigners money or things does not really benefit Americans in any tangible ways.

Also, you are not at war with Russia. It's not your rival.
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