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Jan 5 2024 12:52pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 5 2024 01:32pm)
"rooted in prejudice" is a self own. when we play chicken and egg we only have to go back a short time until the prejudice itself was rooted in safety. as it turns out the probability of violence increases as you create a more heterogenous society.

just ask a liberal who has a better country than the USA and they'll spout off a list of ivory tower homogenous white nations, generally places where alarm bells are sounding based on the risks of importing people of other cultures.

people like to go to far along this logic, and imply that other cultures are inherently violent. but statistically they tend to be rather non-violent places to live, its when they travel elsewhere that violence occurs, or when the west intervenes in their country that violence ensues. there are of course examples of how some of these places are inherently violent (places that still allow child brides, female genital mutilation, execution of LGBTQA people, etc), but as a regular citizen in most of these places nonviolence permeates your life.


There's also the fact that generally speaking most immigrants leave a place and go somewhere else for economic reasons, meaning they are poor. Poor people tend to resort to violence and crime at much higher rates and were raised by families from the same strata vast majority of the time.

It's really not a mystery why either. How many people would be committing petty crime or selling dime bags if they had 200k jobs fully securing for their financial needs? Like none because the risk far outweighs the reward based on your economic position. But it's really not up to the new places to basically guarantee these poor masses a cushy living otherwise expect crime. It's on the person coming responsibility to try and assimilate. I learned this firsthand as a immigrant to the US.

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Jan 5 2024 01:09pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 5 2024 01:32pm)
"rooted in prejudice" is a self own. when we play chicken and egg we only have to go back a short time until the prejudice itself was rooted in safety. as it turns out the probability of violence increases as you create a more heterogenous society.

just ask a liberal who has a better country than the USA and they'll spout off a list of ivory tower homogenous white nations, generally places where alarm bells are sounding based on the risks of importing people of other cultures.

people like to go to far along this logic, and imply that other cultures are inherently violent. but statistically they tend to be rather non-violent places to live, its when they travel elsewhere that violence occurs, or when the west intervenes in their country that violence ensues. there are of course examples of how some of these places are inherently violent (places that still allow child brides, female genital mutilation, execution of LGBTQA people, etc), but as a regular citizen in most of these places nonviolence permeates your life.


Im getting real sick and tired of your Islamophobia, tell me one thing you see wrong here


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Jan 5 2024 01:17pm
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which countries and statistics are you referring to here? is it something like UAE compared to other muslim countries?


honestly almost every non-destabilized islamic nation. saudi arabia, egypt, iran, uae, etc. Normal people live and die and have fairly non-violent lives. they are at the same time subject to cultural practices we may find terrible or violent, and of course the lives of someone like an LGBTQA person are in danger, but for most people its just life like we live here.

the problem we face currently is there isnt much of the middle east that is stable. lebanon, yemen, gaza, west bank, iraq, afghanistan, etc. all deeply destabilized.

the main outlier in the region is likely pakistan, where all kinds of fucked up stuff seems to happen devoid of US intervention anywhere in recent memory. maybe due to tensions with India and massive population density. honestly i dont know enough to say.
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Jan 5 2024 01:31pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 12:17pm)
open borders advocate?


Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 5 2024 12:32pm)
"rooted in prejudice" is a self own. when we play chicken and egg we only have to go back a short time until the prejudice itself was rooted in safety. as it turns out the probability of violence increases as you create a more heterogenous society.

just ask a liberal who has a better country than the USA and they'll spout off a list of ivory tower homogenous white nations, generally places where alarm bells are sounding based on the risks of importing people of other cultures.

people like to go to far along this logic, and imply that other cultures are inherently violent. but statistically they tend to be rather non-violent places to live, its when they travel elsewhere that violence occurs, or when the west intervenes in their country that violence ensues. there are of course examples of how some of these places are inherently violent (places that still allow child brides, female genital mutilation, execution of LGBTQA people, etc), but as a regular citizen in most of these places nonviolence permeates your life.


closed borders are bad for America and the world. if America wants to allow foreigners to work for US companies offshore while simultaneously closing borders... it becomes clear what the mentality is

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Jan 5 2024 01:45pm
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 5 2024 11:31am)
closed borders are bad for America and the world. if America wants to allow foreigners to work for US companies offshore while simultaneously closing borders... it becomes clear what the mentality is


why is selective immigration bad for America?

the mentality is America first, and always should be.
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Jan 5 2024 01:49pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 01:45pm)
why is selective immigration bad for America?

the mentality is America first, and always should be.


the problem with it is really simple. the perception that America is somehow superior to other nations is flawed because all human life contains equal potency

the only real difference is the availability and distribution of resources. if its about power and control for sure its corrupted from the get-go
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Jan 5 2024 01:50pm
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 5 2024 11:49am)
the problem with it is really simple. the perception that America is somehow superior to other nations is flawed because all human life contains equal potency

the only real difference is the availability and distribution of resources. if its about power and control for sure its corrupted from the get-go


don't agree
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Jan 5 2024 01:51pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 01:50pm)
don't agree


prove it that humans aren't equal

all humans come with nothing and leave with nothing. can you dispute that fact?
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Jan 5 2024 01:53pm
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 5 2024 11:51am)
prove it that humans aren't equal

all humans come with nothing and leave with nothing. can you dispute that fact?


hierarchies naturally exist, people are different than others outside of 'socioeconomic factors', genetics exist

not interested in this debate, if you can't accept people are different and it's very significant then we cannot even begin. i think you're a communist or at least lean that way ideologically and i'm not going to make progress with that
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