Quote (Pyrotechx @ 6 Jan 2024 13:46)

Lol, you really say Trump detached himself from his businesses in 2016? You literally just like to ignore reality, huh?

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14V21K/



No, he wasn't. There was literally evidence of him colluding, but the original FBI investigation was a shit show and therefore, due to their incompetence, he was "cleared" in the sense they could not do anything about it due to evidence being thrown out.

You just so badly want to close your eyes to the literal shit stain that trump is. How are people this blind?

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 6 2024 08:52am)

Trump and his cronies were negotiating with Russians throughout the 2016 Republican primary to build a Trump tower in Moscow and give the penthouse to Putin.

This isn't me doing whataboutism. This is me laying out a fact about the Republican candidate for 2024. People need all the facts to know which candidate is truly corrupt.

Btw, so far I've yet to see convincing evidence that Biden was corrupt at all, at least to the extent that he profited from the shady dealings of his son and brother. Vague emails and debunked Giuliani-Ukraine conspiracies fall flat.

The lack of evidence is kind of astounding. Do cultists realize how much evidence would be needed to even come close to the corruption of Trump?

Quote (Mondain @ Jan 7 2024 09:03am)

I'm just saying,..

This thread should be about Biden & Trump.

They've both done it.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 6 2024 06:42am)

How would you have thought the trump tower meeting with jr was supposed to go?
I mean, at the time Trump jr wouldn't actually know the extent of how the FBI had been weaponized against his father and that they were being spied on by Comey & friends in an attempt to cheat in the election
But Trump jr got approached by Americans claiming to have intelligence that proved Hillary Clinton had illegal dealings in Russia. He agreed to meet and hear them out, and then kicked them out when they went into a pitch about the magnitsky act as a bait and switch. And a whole Mueller probe later, that's where the story started and ended. We don't get to know how Don jr would have responded had the intel been legit. Would they have weaponized it in their campaign, saved it for a debate? Released it to the media immediately? Contacted the FBI immediately, then the media? We don't know, we can't, but it doesn't matter because it wasn't real. But trying to put any blame on Don Jr for merely listening to hear if a rumor had any evidence, that's absurd. And trying to argue that Don Jr should have involved the FBI at as early a stage as before he even saw any evidence it was real- that's also absurd, and particularly when we have the knowledge Don jr didn't, that the FBI was already scheming against him at that point.

of course you never had a problem with the actual misconduct and corrupt use of power in this storyline. the part where Hillary Clinton actively conjured up a fake russia narrative to smear Trump, and the intelligence community consciously and purposefully weaponized it while knowing it was fabricated

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 7 2024 11:39am)

How was it supposed to go? Russians show up and provide damaging information on Hillary as part of their effort to help the Trump campaign. This isn't speculating at all. That's literally what the emails say... it's in black and white.
Biden conspiracies are based off of vague emails... the Trump tower meeting is completely spelled out as to what was expected to happen.
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/170711140935-donald-trump-jr-rob-goldstone-emails-t1.jpg

Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 7 2024 10:19am)

And what was that, expected to happen? Trump Jr met with the American activists purporting to have Russian intel, to see if it was real or not. And saw that it wasn't
That's the logical step to take. If it was real intel, then he could have passed it along to the FBI/DoJ, or just to the media. He could have cynically held onto it for maximum political impact. We can't know what he'd do if it was real
We only know what he'd do if he suspected it was fake: Debunk it, then disregard it, like a properly cautious and skeptical person should.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 7 2024 10:19am)

You know how wildly hypocritical and insane it is to be handwringing over Trump Jr's mere willingness to verify if some dirt on Hillary is real or not? When we went through years of democrats trying to smear Trump with every unsubstantiated accusation that he was tied to Russia, which was then sprayed on the front page of the NYT and we'd discuss on PARD and point out how bogus it is. What percent of the left still believes in the collusion fairy tale even when we know Hillary's camp cooked it up and the FBI ran with it knowing it was fake

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 7 2024 10:29am)

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Mm8PIx6wILsAAAAC/lol-laughing.gif

Dear Lord. You are fucking delusional brother. Don Jr. was cosplaying as a government agent?

The email shows what it was. He expected dirt from Russians, he was happy about the prospect. There's no reason to believe him and the campaign wouldn't take the information and use it.




Is it possible for Trump cultists to discuss a topic without engaging in whataboutism?

What collusion fairy tale? The Trump campaign did collude with Russia. This is an established fact. The Senate intelligence committee confirmed that(see Manafort/Kilimnik).

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia

I was right all along about collusion. You were wrong. It wasn't the silly Chris Steele dossier narrative about collusion, but it was collusion.

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Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.

The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.

Manafort, who was later convicted for financial fraud crimes, briefed Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik on the campaign's polling data and how the Trump campaign sought to beat Hillary Clinton in the presidential election.

Manafort's connection with Kilimnik was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Russian intelligence officer may have been linked to the Russian government's efforts to hack and leak Democratic Party emails.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 7 2024 11:34am)