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Anyone against abortion is an absolute fool

it all depends on how you define "homeless people".

are we talking about people in the grips of a drug addiction with mental health issues that live on the street for years at a time and have zero chance for upward mobility without drastic outside intervention? if that's what homeless person is, then yes, those people are a massive problem.

are we talking about someone who doesnt have a permanent home and spends a week in a shelter? or even a month in a shelter? who uses food pantries, and has the chance to find a job and permanent place to live on a relatively short time span? then no, comparatively those people aren't a problem.

some people who leave foster care are the type 1, drug addicted mentally ill terminally homeless people. some, a far larger number, are type 2. and when we read % of foster care people who are homeless at some point that's a catch all stat which represents both problematic and far less problematic cases of homeless people.

im not sure why im explaining this in such detail, its a pretty basic fact that anyone would know. drugs and mental health are the ways to combat homelessness. changes to the foster care system wont do much of anything to reduce homeless numbers. then again given the epidemic that terminal homelessness has become in the USA im not sure its an issue that we can solve. i bet we're likely 10-20 years from zoning off entire parts of large cities to be dead zones where homeless just go to live forever with almost zero police intervention. no one is at all interested in combatting it, just lip service. the bill is far too large to actually do it.

interesting that you pivoted from "homelessness isnt actually a problem" to "given the epidemic that its become, in 20 years we will have zoned off parts of large cities because there are too many homeless" lol


lets look at some stats



do you think this system sets kids up for success?
do you think women who arent able to raise their children (for whatever reason) should be able to get abortions?

im not pivotting, you just misunderstood what i even meant.

if we define homelessness like you did, by citing the foster care stats, then it isn't a massive problem. because those stats capture a LOT of people that are without a permanent home for a VERY short time, compared to the terminally homeless. that means the system, in some places, is working as its intended. homeless shelters are designed to feed and safely house people for a temporary amount of time before they can get into a more permanent housing situation.

but really its just a matter of prioritization. we can make changes to the foster system, like paying foster parents to something like age 20 or 22. but its unlikely to do much but postpone the issues a few years. i dont see much to suggest this would change the reality that some percent of foster kids, or people generally, eventually get addicted to terrible drugs and/or are mentally ill, and become terminally homeless. i havent seen any good studies on how to stop that transition in any meaningful way from which we can pass legislation to change it. we could obviously spend a hundred thousand dollars per year on each foster kid in america and prevent most of it, but that will never happen.

if we want to combat problematic homelessness, and that is terminal homelessness, the key is to attack substance abuse and mental illness. and keep in mind im almost always a root cause problem solver, but i dont see any changes to the foster system that i think will prevent that.

as to your questions, no, the foster care system is a barely functional underfunded mess.

and yes, i am unequivocally pro choice. i still think we should bolster systems to support those who dont, the state should never fund it, and especially changes to the adoption system are needed. its still a morally gross practice.

so you admit you are wrong.

thanks

Abortions are just dead liberals, you’d think more conservatives would support them

thats too much information for him to follow it takes more than 1 emotional reaction.

more like dead conservatives under liberal rule.

5-0'd.

Many conservatives come from liberal families (myself included). But that sentiment is likely why many conservatives are ambivalent on the issue.

Justin Beiber was almost aborted by his teen mother. She chose life instead and now look at him, he has produced billions of dollars in economic activity.

It's a leftist myth that aborted children are better off dead because they never amount to anything (which is also a sick, evil, Nazi, eugenics point of view)

This post was edited by El1te on Jan 4 2024 07:13pm