Ill answer your question , but let me ask one additional

There are states where the death penalty exists already. Let’s say for a moment this will not change

Do you view medical experimentation on par, or more extreme , or less extreme than the death penalty?

Self admittedly I am uncertain on the numbers of false convictions. My gut is the death penalty should exist and should be enforced in specific situations where there is minimal room for dispute. Nuance might be required. And I would argue medical trials on inmates is more productive than the death penalty, for larger society.

Make unsolicited pranking of strangers a crime period, i don't want to deal with some youtuber jumping out at me or sticking a mic in my face.

Wait, he was accosted by a news crew and not arrested? The fuck?

too broad of a question honestly, but assuming you're arguing in good faith, and we're talking about things like drug testing, and not some josef mengele horror shit, i think it's quite obvious that medical experimentation is both less extreme and more "productive" / beneficial for society.

that, to me, is not a good enough argument to support it though, regardless of how low the false conviction rate is. as long as our justice system isn't literally perfect, i'm categorically against both.


back to you, it sounds to me like you're in favour of both as long as you feel the false conviction rate is very low? would that be fair to say? do you have a number in mind that you'd be ok with? like one in a thousand, one in ten-thousand? it's a genuine question, not a gotcha - i currently have no clue how high estimates are on wrongful convictions or executions, i'm just curious because i personally simply couldn't.

Aren’t you the crowd of we can never shoot anybody for any reason ever you stupid Americans?

Yeah I’m talking about like diabetic medications for diabetic inmates, or early cancer meds for inmates with the appropriate cancer the drug is for. By “experimentation” I should have clarified to phase 2-3 testing.

These phases are the longest phases and are used to evaluate medication effectiveness as opposed to safety which has already been established by this point . In a given drug these two phases account for 5-10 years which are the longest phases for meds - generally speaking

I would have to look at what the false conviction rate actually is speculated to be. I never have looked into it before, will look it up tonight. I don’t have a specific number necessarily but would intuitively be ok with high 98-99.9s. But I would add that in Bazi Land I wouldn’t be doing this to every inmate. Certainly there are cases where guilt is not a debate via video footage etc

So it's bad to wrongfully execute an innocent person. But wrongfully jailing him is OK.

This group of people loves to fight dirty

wait what?! how do you come to that "conclusion"? because it's certainly not by applying any kind of coherent logic.

of course it's NOT "ok" to imprison innocent people, lol.seriously, did you get the idea that i think that?! all i'm saying is BECAUSE our justice system is imperfect, because innocent people are imprisoned all the time, i'm against the death penalty in practice - since wrongfully incarcerated people is bad enough but they can still be released, but wrongfully executed people obviously can't be revived.

i genuinely did not expect that i'd have to explain that. this forum sometimes really makes me doubt humanity...



who? pranksters?

What an absolute idiot, "made a mistake" get the fuck outta here. I wouldn't care the least if he got a bullet in the head.

This post was edited by TidsL on Nov 1 2023 12:41am