There's quite a big difference between being "loud and annoying" and "literally threatening passengers with murder", don't you think?

well, if the clown world state had any interest to protect the public this would have never happened

this guy should get a medal



your armchair talk has nothing to do with reality lmao

the irony. coming from another ignorant person who clearly hasn't got the slightest clue what they are talking about, who never grappled or trained in their whole life, and simply believes whatever fits their bigoted world view the best.

safe to assume that if the belligerent asshole threatening others were a white trump supporter, and the killer a black guy, you'd say the exact opposite and demand the death penalty, while i would still say that if you choose to engage them and choke them unconscious, it's absolutely reasonable to expect you to stop interrupting the blood flow to their head once they are out for so long... especially if you're clearly in control of the situation and have several bystanders physically supporting you, de facto eliminating any threat.

there isn't a topic you don't land on the wrong side of, is there, marcel?



does that mean you think he deserved to die, or are you just nitpicking words to signal to the scumbags that you're still with them, even though you don't actually think just killing the mentally unwell asshole was the right way to go about it?

Daniel Penny is a hero

Didn't realize words are something that gets you a death sentence. A lotta trumpists running around on Jan 6 should probably watch their backs then.

Don't be such a fuckin snowflake.

murd
Did I say that he deserved to die? No, so why are you making shit up? Unlike you, however, I consider his death to be an accident, not "murder". You have a murderous psycho in a hold and you know that chances are he will be even more mad and rabid once you release the hold, so it's only natural and reasonable to err on the side of caution and keep the hold a little longer. It's just not realistic to expect anyone, even a former marine, to hit the exact sweet spot between "rendered him reliably unconscious" and "prevent any risk of causing harm to the attackers".

I'm fine with calling the incident a case of "excessive use of force during a self-defense situation". I'm not fine with calling it "murder".




You're overly emotional, lol. Your loaded question of "who did he actually hurt on that train" is unjustified, this was a clear-cut self-defense situation which escalated within seconds and ended in tragedy. Nothing more, nothing less.

learn to read, you triggered psycho, i quite literally asked you a question that allowed for both possible outcomes, lol.

also, your ignorance regarding grappling and submissions is showing. which wouldn't be a problem in itself - if you didn't just base your whole evaluation of the situation on something you quite clearly don't understand.

how do you land at "self-defence" and "murderous psycho"? from how i understand the situation, it was the ex-marine who decided to enter a physical confrontation. yes, the dead guy was belligerent and uttered threats - and depending on how serious or real they seemed, depending on other aspects (like did he brandish a weapon? did he actually make threatening moves towards other people, stand up and get in their faces?), i don't even have a problem with that in general - better restrain a person and call authorities than risk them harming innocent bystanders, right?

however, like i explained in previous posts already, it is not that easy to "accidentally" kill a grown man, and not at all unreasonable to expect someone who has the confidence to attack a "murderous psycho" in the first place and the competence to choke them unconscious, to realise that the "threat" is neutralised once their body goes completely limp - especially with several other men helping you to control the guy.

what you describe as an "exact sweet spot", in order to make it appear like an expert thing to realise and therefore unreasonable to expect, in reality is a matter of actively squeezing the neck of an unconscious guy for several minutes.
in reality, after unconsciousness first come increasing degrees of brain damage (starting roughly a minute into interrupting blood flow to the brain) - and only after about five (!) minutes of actively choking their lifeless body comes death.

also, when you wake up from being choked out like that, it takes quite a while to gather your bearings - let alone the strength to magically overwhelm several grown men, one of which still has you in a hold you couldn't escape in the first place.

literally everything in your description is framed to lead to your desired conclusion and rife with ignorance and bias. no nuance, no effort to educate yourself...

This post was edited by fender on Oct 30 2023 07:12am

unlike you i am not obsessed with race, if the state cant provide protection against criminal trash of any race, color, whatever, the people have to step in

this man did, the death of the other guy is unfortunate, but clearly an accident

i mean you can also punch a person once and with some bad luck it can result in a death

that being said, i am training since i can walk, but thanks for being so concerned about my well being

why are you even talking about this subject, as if you know shit

not a single actual fighter etc talks like you so please spare me

your ignorance is showing again, marcel. had he actually just punched the guy once, and they hit their head so unfortunately that they died, it would be a completely different debate.

he didn't though. he chose to grapple and choke him out. he had full control of him. several other passengers helped restrain the guy, yet he must have kept squeezing the limp body for several minutes. you don't do that "by accident", there is no way you don't notice they haven't moved for minutes while you apply pressure to their neck. if you had "trained" anything but picking up the remote from the floor, you'd know that, fatso.

you know what would change my mind? if it somehow turns out that the dead guy had some kind of condition that made him die instantly after passing out - if the ex-marine, who chose to start a physical confrontation with a combative stranger on the subway did NOT just keep choking the neck of a lifeless body for several minutes, while other men already helped restrain that one guy. if that is the case, i'll say it was an unfortunate accident.

are there any facts that would change YOUR mind, marcel?

This post was edited by fender on Oct 30 2023 07:32am

you and your fellow politically correct mob would cry regardless

"OH MY GOD WHY DID HE HAVE TO HIT HIM THAT HARD???!!"

you always got a "i know better" wall of text for everyone and everything

there is nothing to change my mind here, the facts are clear and your attempts to make it personal dont matter

the heat of the moment and the failure of the state created this situation, end of story

lock trash people up in time and ordinary people can use the subway without fear