Here is minister of defense of the Netherlands summarizing Russia/Ukraine thread for you and all the arguments we’ve been making in 30 seconds two days ago.



1) she considers it a cheap way (hundreds of thousands dead, millions displaced, Western Europe officially in recession)
2) she considers it a regime (both Zelensky and Putin were voted in and have bonafide support of their population).
3) she considers Russia a threat to Europe (do I even need to comment).

reading the american version of politcal discourse sure is funny, in a depressing kind of way.

I see you're still not making an argument.

You should work on that.

I reread your initial argument and I guess we actually agree on the same thing and I’m arguing in circles.

Hurting a rival while helping military industrial complex and justifying overinflated military budget.

Morally good side argument is hype du jour in my opinion as historically speaking US proxies turned out to be disposable (Saddam, Osama, ISIS fighters and now Khalifa Haftar - Langley, Virginia educated commander of Lybian independence fighters turning against Americans, what a bummer). Once you’ve played your part and interests were no longer aligned US disposes of you.

I struggle to understand why there seems to be little to no concept of compromise and seeking to understand each other. Why does it have to be an “us or them” situation.

US has no business supporting conflicts literally on the other side of the world with countries that have little to no political or economical ties with them. Why not support Tigray for instance in their just fight for independence?

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 6 2023 01:24am

Putin is the bastion of truth right?

At op, the aid to Ukraine could be around 70 billion dollars. A vast majority of which is spent in the US military industry, and a vast amount of which is loans as in lend lease.
There is also the question of reparations after the war and around 300 billion of frozen Russian state assets.

So if the US gov spending for 2022 was 6.27 trillion dollars. So spending on Aid to Ukraine might be around 1-1.5% of the US federal budget.

- Ukraine is unique case of democracy so close to EU directly agressed by an authoritarian giant poohole. Assistance is already a no brainer.
- For U.S it's pure profits (economically, geopolitically) and it costs like... 5% of the annual defense budget. No brainer in your no brainer.

Problem is alot of ignorants have no idea of the shit they are talking about: they are only looking for a divisive subject, something to say, to accuse with.
Some others are like weak fascists, mgtow or frustrated weirdos who are comforted by the idea of paying taxes to pay Yachts to their "leaders" or something like that.

Thanks, was a good question: have a nice day



Yes please

Resorting to whataboutism means you have no good way to argue and agree with the picture i posted.

Thanks.

Biden and US Congress have directed $75Billion to Ukraine a country with population 49million. That is about $1500/per person.

Meanwhile, in Maui residents reported only getting $700 after apocalyptic fire raves citizens community.

The sunk cost fallacy is riding itself out to exhaustion on this one. Surprised Democrats still supporting war, bloodshed, death, mass destruction of the country we humanitarian aiding.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Oct 6 2023 05:59am

You will always find something to say, if it's not Maui residents it will be fentanyl victims, homless people, poor disabled kids, blind cats ... etc
Did you even try to consider, to modelize, the impact for U.S in case of non-assistance ?

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Oct 6 2023 06:21am

Yes