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Sep 9 2023 04:06pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 9 Sep 2023 16:18)
You can non-comply and then what?

Governors and lawmakers and unelected authorities can simply make declarations that violate the constitution and then demand their enforcement and imprison those who denounce it as unconstitutional. The courts can try to reject it and overturn them, but they can simply make more unconstitutional mandates and keep piling them on with nothing but a proclamation, while courts need years of deliberations for each case. And every time you fall through the cracks and don't get bailed out by the higher courts, when they don't have time, or the lower courts have been invaded by an activist judiciary? You're the one being trodden upon.
But the founding fathers put in checks and balances for these kinds of situations and the states copied them into their constitutions- if a leader becomes odious, they can be impeached. Which falls flat once an entire political party with a majority power is willing to prop up the farce. And at that point the system just breaks down. We saw it before the civil war with nullification crises, the fugitive slave act, etc

Its a simple fact that our system of checks and balances only works when the lawmakers obey a shared civil ethos. Once that's gone, they're just eroding our democracy

These types of politicians still have to face voters quite frequently. Ultimately, the issue isn't so much the progressive activists who try to circumvent the Constitution, the issue is that voters don't punish them enough for their transgressions.

Over the past 10-15 years, the political left in the US (and pretty much the entire Western world) has completely lost it. What's even worse is that they have successfully captured a critical mass of institutions - not just the mainstream media but also the bureaucracy, academia, large chunks of the judicial system and, increasingly, also the corporate world. The ensuing propaganda was extremely successful and has gotten 50+% of the population to either happily follow them off the ideological cliff into lala-land, or to at least not care about the disastrous course. Figures like Grisham and her antics are just a symptom of this much larger problem.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 9 2023 04:07pm
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Sep 9 2023 09:22pm
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These types of politicians still have to face voters quite frequently. Ultimately, the issue isn't so much the progressive activists who try to circumvent the Constitution, the issue is that voters don't punish them enough for their transgressions.

Over the past 10-15 years, the political left in the US (and pretty much the entire Western world) has completely lost it. What's even worse is that they have successfully captured a critical mass of institutions - not just the mainstream media but also the bureaucracy, academia, large chunks of the judicial system and, increasingly, also the corporate world. The ensuing propaganda was extremely successful and has gotten 50+% of the population to either happily follow them off the ideological cliff into lala-land, or to at least not care about the disastrous course. Figures like Grisham and her antics are just a symptom of this much larger problem.


And you think the right are sane?
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Sep 9 2023 10:29pm
Are citizens expected to follow blatantly unlawful executive orders? It's not like there is nuance here, or a missing pre-existing law/statue. This issue has been settled. Even tried with DC vs Heller.

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Sep 9 2023 11:59pm
someone check if she's on the NRA's payroll. dumb americunts are so predictable, they will now buy even more guns, lol - it's been like this for decades...
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Sep 2023 00:06)
These types of politicians still have to face voters quite frequently. Ultimately, the issue isn't so much the progressive activists who try to circumvent the Constitution, the issue is that voters don't punish them enough for their transgressions.

Over the past 10-15 years, the political left in the US (and pretty much the entire Western world) has completely lost it. What's even worse is that they have successfully captured a critical mass of institutions - not just the mainstream media but also the bureaucracy, academia, large chunks of the judicial system and, increasingly, also the corporate world. The ensuing propaganda was extremely successful and has gotten 50+% of the population to either happily follow them off the ideological cliff into lala-land, or to at least not care about the disastrous course. Figures like Grisham and her antics are just a symptom of this much larger problem.


you can't possibly be gullible and ignorant enough to genuinely believe msm is somehow "left", lol. they HATE progressive ideas. just because they don't appeal to the complete crazies that trump turned a lot of "conservatives" into, doesn't mean they are politically left...
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Sep 10 2023 12:59am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 9 2023 06:06pm)
These types of politicians still have to face voters quite frequently. Ultimately, the issue isn't so much the progressive activists who try to circumvent the Constitution, the issue is that voters don't punish them enough for their transgressions.

Over the past 10-15 years, the political left in the US (and pretty much the entire Western world) has completely lost it. What's even worse is that they have successfully captured a critical mass of institutions - not just the mainstream media but also the bureaucracy, academia, large chunks of the judicial system and, increasingly, also the corporate world. The ensuing propaganda was extremely successful and has gotten 50+% of the population to either happily follow them off the ideological cliff into lala-land, or to at least not care about the disastrous course. Figures like Grisham and her antics are just a symptom of this much larger problem.




Quote (fender @ Sep 10 2023 02:04am)
you can't possibly be gullible and ignorant enough to genuinely believe msm is somehow "left", lol. they HATE progressive ideas. just because they don't appeal to the complete crazies that trump turned a lot of "conservatives" into, doesn't mean they are politically left...





You'd almost have a point if things like the "woke" culture, political correctness, etc., both violently anti first amendment, weren't running rampant throughout the country.

Black XistenZ 's post is a dreadfully accurate summation of the political clime in the US these days.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 10 2023 01:06am
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Any police who uphold the Oath they take to the constitution will not enforce unconditional laws.

https://police-brutality.usattorneys.com/do-police-swear-an-oath-to-the-constitution/
“I, officer name, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

Under federal law, 18 USC 242, it is illegal for anyone under the color of law to deprive any person of the rights, privileges or immunities secured by the U.S. Constitution

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Quote (Mondain @ 9 Sep 2023 03:02)
Can't make guns go away in a world flooded with guns.
The cat is out of the bag and it's never going back in.


only the US is flooded with guns

you know, facts, math, statistics.. all of that?

its not the world lol its just you
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Quote (Crunkt @ Sep 13 2023 11:58am)
only the US is flooded with guns

you know, facts, math, statistics.. all of that?

its not the world lol its just you


Canada has an absolute insane amount of guns per capita and an even more unregistered amount. Sorry you live in Toronto and are /nogunz but the rest of the country doesn't share your predicament
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Sep 13 2023 10:47am
Quote (zorzin @ 13 Sep 2023 12:40)
Canada has an absolute insane amount of guns per capita and an even more unregistered amount. Sorry you live in Toronto and are /nogunz but the rest of the country doesn't share your predicament


facts dont care about your feelings






https://i.imgur.com/m2RD7X5.png

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
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