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Aug 24 2023 12:00pm
all the usual right-wing extremist cult members are fired up over Vivek's rhetoric, no surprise
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Aug 24 2023 12:03pm
So I just saw a highlight video of the debate and I'm sure these people are just pandering to what the republican base wants to get elected.

So my question is why are republicans so retarded? Can someone help me out here?
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Aug 24 2023 12:05pm
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So I just saw a highlight video of the debate and I'm sure these people are just pandering to what the republican base wants to get elected.

So my question is why are republicans so retarded? Can someone help me out here?


i literally dont know man it was a complete shit show

its really fucke dup
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Quote (thesnipa @ 24 Aug 2023 18:48)
Haley doesnt need to win over conservatives in general election, there's only 2 choices. general election is all about moderates or unlikely to vote people. there she's got the edge over many on that stage.

Vivek had a great debate, he won if anyone did for sure. i just dont see how being a trump clone works in a race where trump is likely in. will he at some point make the pitch trump should be out and make way for him? that's a tough sell for a 1-5% polling guy to make.

Vivek's calculus is pretty straightforward: if Trump stays in the race, the campaign Vivek is running is basically an audition for a cabinet position. And if Trump drops out, due to his legal troubles or, say, due to his health, then Vivek has positioned himself as someone who can carry on the torch of MAGA.
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Aug 24 2023 02:12pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 24 2023 01:03pm)
So I just saw a highlight video of the debate and I'm sure these people are just pandering to what the republican base wants to get elected.

So my question is why are republicans so retarded? Can someone help me out here?


DeSantis was clearly pandering. Even with the nonsense like 'invade mexico and shoot the drug dealers at the border' (!?). Vivek is playing up the populist base but that's because he actually believes in it. Chris Christie meanwhile was only up on stage to tell Republicans how much he hates their guts and disagrees with everything they believe in, and got booed loudly and repeatedly. Can't accuse him of pandering. Or ever winning another election in his life.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 24 2023 02:33pm)
Vivek's calculus is pretty straightforward: if Trump stays in the race, the campaign Vivek is running is basically an audition for a cabinet position. And if Trump drops out, due to his legal troubles or, say, due to his health, then Vivek has positioned himself as someone who can carry on the torch of MAGA.


if trump drops out IMO a trump clone has worse prospects in general election than a more moderate candidate. but its just a gut feeling. in any case he got by far the biggest bump out of last night. prob went from like a 1% twitter troll to a legit 5-10% polling candidate in any polls without trump.
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if trump drops out IMO a trump clone has worse prospects in general election than a more moderate candidate. but its just a gut feeling. in any case he got by far the biggest bump out of last night. prob went from like a 1% twitter troll to a legit 5-10% polling candidate in any polls without trump.


I think "moderate = more electable" is too simplistic. What Republicans need is a candidate who does one of two things:

A: really excite the GOP base and push their turnout while simultaneously being palatable enough to moderates that the bottom doesn't fall out with them... or
B: be really appealing to moderates while simultaneously being palatable enough to the GOP base so that their turnout doesn't drop off too much

Since 2018, the GOP has failed to find candidates who achieve either of these two paths to victory. Perhaps Glenn Youngkin in 2021. But that was a weird race in an off-off-year against a deeply flawed opponent, taking place against the backdrop of covid lingering far longer than Biden or Democrats had promised, so I'm not sure if that's a replicable blueprint.



Anyway, the key concern of these candidates right now isn't the general election, it's winning the GOP nomination. And a plurality of the Republican base still wants Trump, or at the very least a Trump-like candidate. What Vivek achieved in the debate is that in a world without Trump, DeSantis doesn't run away with the nomination by default. In this scenario, Vivek might now have a chance at getting into that race.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 24 2023 02:43pm
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