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Jun 28 2023 11:40am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 28 2023 10:38am)
they became FBI statistics because of the skin color. chicken, egg.

made slaves due to skin color, put in ramshackle schools based on skin color, etc. all led to lower average net worth, which leads to crime and violence in a way that also affects poor whites.


that is an opinion for sure
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Jun 28 2023 12:01pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 28 2023 10:38am)
they became FBI statistics because of the skin color. chicken, egg.

made slaves due to skin color, put in ramshackle schools based on skin color, etc. all led to lower average net worth, which leads to crime and violence in a way that also affects poor whites.


they weren't made slaves due to skin colour, they were made slaves because they were viewed as uncivilized savages who they could exploit for labour.

Slave comes from slav who are white as snow (who were enslaved by many different peoples). Slavery has never been about skin colour

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Jun 28 2023 12:03pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jun 28 2023 12:40pm)
that is an opinion for sure


what is the other opinion? that black people are inherently violent and criminals due to their biology? that would undercut the former point you made about skin color not mattering, and only actions mattering.

elsewise we're left with "rap music makes them criminals", as if black neighborhoods were a peaceful utopia before NWA said fuck tha police.
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Jun 28 2023 12:07pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 28 2023 01:01pm)
they weren't made slaves due to skin colour, they were made slaves because they were viewed as uncivilized savages who they could exploit for labour.

Slave comes from slav who are white as slow (who were enslaved by many different peoples). Slavery has never been about skin colour


if there were 2 large groups of uncivilized savages available to 1600s Europeans, one white and one black, the blacks would have been chosen so they were more easily identifiable. also black skin made them perfect candidates for working in plantations in the south and Caribbean under the hot sun, because the native population predisposed to that was mostly wiped out by that point from disease.
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what is the other opinion? that black people are inherently violent and criminals due to their biology? that would undercut the former point you made about skin color not mattering, and only actions mattering.

elsewise we're left with "rap music makes them criminals", as if black neighborhoods were a peaceful utopia before NWA said fuck tha police.


its culture. It's the low, violent black culture ("gangster" culture) which so many black people adhere to which causes people to stereotype them as such

And yes black rap music (not all) does literally encourage and promote criminal behaviour and contempt for police
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what is the other opinion? that black people are inherently violent and criminals due to their biology? that would undercut the former point you made about skin color not mattering, and only actions mattering.

elsewise we're left with "rap music makes them criminals", as if black neighborhoods were a peaceful utopia before NWA said fuck tha police.


if the biology argument is true it would not undercut the point about skin color not mattering if the factors in biology that caused said things were not related to skin color directly
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Jun 28 2023 12:09pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 28 2023 11:07am)
if there were 2 large groups of uncivilized savages available to 1600s Europeans, one white and one black, the blacks would have been chosen so they were more easily identifiable. also black skin made them perfect candidates for working in plantations in the south and Caribbean under the hot sun, because the native population predisposed to that was mostly wiped out by that point from disease.


Possibly, but the real reason they were chosen is due to the naval age of discovery. They could easily acquire the slaves from African coastlines (who were sold to them by their OWN black King's who enslaved their own people)

It was much more difficult to acquire slaves inland. the Age of Discovery was thassalocratic Empires and coastal slaves were just convenient. If there were white people on foreign coastlines they would have taken them as slaves too
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Jun 28 2023 12:14pm
Quote (majorblood @ Jun 28 2023 01:07pm)
if the biology argument is true it would not undercut the point about skin color not mattering if the factors in biology that caused said things were not related to skin color directly


we spent hundreds of years trying and failing to prove that IF. spend as much time as you'd like tho.

Quote (El1te @ Jun 28 2023 01:09pm)
Possibly, but the real reason they were chosen is due to the naval age of discovery. They could easily acquire the slaves from African coastlines (who were sold to them by their OWN black King's who enslaved their own people)

It was much more difficult to acquire slaves inland. the Age of Discovery was thassalocratic Empires and coastal slaves were just convenient. If there were white people on foreign coastlines they would have taken them as slaves too


white slaves in the Caribbean were so useless that plantation work was used as a prison that many died in. i dont need a history lesson on slavery, its been a recurring topic in PARD for a dozen years. black people still made the ideal slaves for the early americas and became an industry for that reason that extended their use here compared to Europe.
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Jun 28 2023 12:16pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 28 2023 11:14am)
we spent hundreds of years trying and failing to prove that IF. spend as much time as you'd like tho.



white slaves in the Caribbean were so useless that plantation work was used as a prison that many died in. i dont need a history lesson on slavery, its been a recurring topic in PARD for a dozen years. black people still made the ideal slaves for the early americas and became an industry for that reason that extended their use here compared to Europe.


this isn't true

/e that is to say that it seems you are postulating that the only significant biological difference is skin color which is obviously untrue

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Jun 28 2023 12:22pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 28 2023 11:14am)
white slaves in the Caribbean were so useless that plantation work was used as a prison that many died in. i dont need a history lesson on slavery, its been a recurring topic in PARD for a dozen years. black people still made the ideal slaves for the early americas and became an industry for that reason that extended their use here compared to Europe.


That makes sense, but in that sense they were not chosen because of the colour of their skin but by their utilitarian physical parameters & ability to work in the heat (which are correlated with their skin colour)
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