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next election cycle, for realsies
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true if huge
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Covid was a federal emergency. It is covered under any possible reading.

Student loan forgiveness doesn't solve the underlying issue, but it is a step in the right direction. Not all actions need to be a total solution.


I would assume that some kind of substantive connection between an emergency and the emergency measures taken to address it would be required. And in this case, I have a hard time seeing it. Suspending student loan debt payments because young folks can't work due to covid? Sure, until covid is over. But entirely forgiving the debt although it can be paid off once covid is over strikes me as overreach.

Anyway, that's in the past. Covid is no longer an emergency, so under which law could Biden forgive the student loan debt today?



A step that does absolutely nothing to solve the underlying issue is a waste of money and time. The correct approach for this issue would be to reduce the cost of going to college to a reasonable level, one where young people don't need to go into debt to get a good education. Doesn't matter how you do it, via regulations, hard tuition caps, incentives or something else. THEN and only then does it make sense to say "now that the future cohorts of students don't have to go into crippling debt, we have to address the injustice suffered by the older cohorts who took their loans before we brought college costs back down to earth, so let's forgive their loans".

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Covid was a federal emergency. It is covered under any possible reading.

Student loan forgiveness doesn't solve the underlying issue, but it is a step in the right direction. Not all actions need to be a total solution.


covid was a scam. student loan debt forgiveness is also a scam. same people fall for both.

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The only question is whether the current plaintiffs have standing to sue. The Court will not allow an otherwise innocuous law to be used as a wholesale delegation of power of purse from Congress to the Executive. That's the correct decision. It's a moot point, however, because the emergency is over.
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The only thing he's forgiving is the toilet tissue that he flushes down the toilet. That's IT. I've asked him.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 1 2023 06:48pm)
I would assume that some kind of substantive connection between an emergency and the emergency measures taken to address it would be required. And in this case, I have a hard time seeing it. Suspending student loan debt payments because young folks can't work due to covid? Sure, until covid is over. But entirely forgiving the debt although it can be paid off once covid is over strikes me as overreach.

Anyway, that's in the past. Covid is no longer an emergency, so under which law could Biden forgive the student loan debt today?



A step that does absolutely nothing to solve the underlying issue is a waste of money and time. The correct approach for this issue would be to reduce the cost of going to college to a reasonable level, one where young people don't need to go into debt to get a good education. Doesn't matter how you do it, via regulations, hard tuition caps, incentives or something else. THEN and only then does it make sense to say "now that the future cohorts of students don't have to go into crippling debt, we have to address the injustice suffered by the older cohorts who took their loans before we brought college costs back down to earth, so let's forgive their loans".


You are so full of shit lol.

Biden made the forgiveness before the emergency was over and its being held up in court.

Temporary measures are taken all the time to alleviate symptoms until a problem can be fixed. The only reason you say this is its Biden. Go to a hospital and tell them to stop all symptomatic care because it's a waste of time.

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Any loan forgiveness is simply not going to happen. The uniparty will simply not allow it, because it is self-evidently moronic.

Biden & the DNC are dangling it like a carrot on a stick to court far-left voters - nothing more.

Now I and most people agree that the massive student loans that people carry are a problem. The solution is to stop giving out student loans for useless degrees, and force the universities themselves to have a stake in the loans. The current population need to suck it up and take responsibility for terrible decisions that they made. No different than a young person blowing a ton of money on a new car they can't afford.

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Any loan forgiveness is simply not going to happen. The uniparty will simply not allow it, because it is self-evidently moronic.

Biden & the DNC are dangling it like a carrot on a stick to court far-left voters - nothing more.

Now I and most people agree that the massive student loans that people carry are a problem. The solution is to stop giving out student loans for useless degrees, and force the universities themselves to have a stake in the loans. The current population need to suck it up and take responsibility for terrible decisions that they made. No different than a young person blowing a ton of money on a new car they can't afford.


The idea that problematic amounts of student loan debt is limited to "useless degrees" is pretty stupid TBH.

Nursing students take on a ton of debt. Doctors take on a ton of debt. Lawyers take on a ton of debt. Biologists take on a ton of debt. Chemists take on a ton of debt.

The issue is uncapped costs on any degree. We need a flat amount to get any degree similar to what the UK does.

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