but that 50/50 split is NOT a result of getting one strand from your mother and the other from your father.

It's the result of getting 23 double-stranded chromosomes from each your mother and your father.


What he said is not a "more precise" version of what you said. What you said was false.

You're intentionally (in bad faith) nitpicking details from what I said in an attempt to invalidate my statement.

The facts are clear and have been clear since the 19th century. Human life is created during fertilization, where DNA from the father and mother is joined to form a new organism.

I am actually correcting you on a very basic matter of fact and calling into question any scientific credentials you previously claimed to have as a result.

You made such an elementary mistake that I no longer believe you have ever taken a science class that wasn't in Kent Hovind's church.

He's right that life begins at conception. Prior to conception, there was an egg, and a sperm cell. They were both gametes. However, once they fuse, they become a new entity, the zygote. The zygote is an organism (as in, it's not a mere cell like sperm or egg). Not only that, it's also alive. It divides and grows, takes up nutrients and eliminates wastes. Only live things can do that.

If you guys imply that life doesn't begin at conception, then I will simply ask you when you think it begins.

This post was edited by JessiWan on May 22 2023 01:34pm

Psalms 139:13-16 David speaks of himself as a living being separate and apart from his mother during his mother's pregnancy - "I" and "me". David speaks of his personage while "unformed". The "blob of cells" or "tissue" that pro-abortionists say are not human is affirmed as human by God through inspiration of His servant David.
Exodus 21:22-25 "Woman with child" affirms that before birth the fetus is a child separate and apart from the mother. Verse 23 states that, according to Old Testament Law, if a child is born prematurely and dies due to harm inflicted upon the child's mother, then the penalty for murder is imposed upon the individual causing harm to the woman. Do you think this would include an abortionist if we were living under the Old Testament Law?
Psalms 51:5 The fetus is an individual separate from his mother at conception. The living person ("I"/"me") existed upon conception. The woman's "choice" is whether or not to have intercourse. Once a woman has conceived, God views the life of the unborn as precious and valuable as those already born.
Ecclesiastes 11:5 This passage affirms that the fetus is a child, separate and apart from the mother. Today, man still does not know how or when the soul enters the fetus, but God affirms that a fetus is as much a child at conception as after birth. Therefore, we must believe that the soul enters a fetus/child at conception.
Job 3:13-16 Job considered himself to be a living human being apart from any other human while in the womb.
Luke 1:15 John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while in the womb; therefore, John was a living person while in the womb. A mass of tissue could not be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Luke 1:41, 44 The babe leaped in her womb for joy. A baby in the womb can leap for joy - a mass of tissue cannot leap. If a mass of tissue could leap in the womb, it could leap outside of the womb. Have you seen a mass of tissue leap?
Matt. 1:23 Mary, while pregnant with Jesus, is said to have a child before birth.
Matt. 2:1 "Now after Jesus was born" considers that Jesus was Jesus before birth, while still in Mary's womb.

Another thought-provoking article about this subject: https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/what-the-bible-says-about-the-beginning-of-life/

This post was edited by WizardKiller on May 22 2023 01:36pm

"Life" began several hundreds of millions of years ago and has continued in an unbroken chain ever since. A sperm cell is alive, as is an egg cell.

The real question is not "when does life begin", because Life has been a continuous chain of cells multiplying. The real question is when personhood begins, which I think is at best somewhere around 20 weeks.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on May 22 2023 01:37pm

Religion aside 100%, my wife is a few weeks pregnant with our first child, and she is fully aware there is a life inside of her.

You are being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well what people mean when they ask, "when does life begin". They mean the beginning of the state of being alive for humans. They don't mean when organisms first arose on earth.

So, in case you try to weasel out of it again, let me ask you: when do you think is the moment when a human being first started to come into existence? In other words, when does human life begin?




I don't want to know when personhood begins. That's only important to dishonest people like you. I want to know when human life begins, and I know you have trouble answering this question, so you keep dodging and deflecting.

The question to "when does life begin"? is "millions of years ago". The egg didn't become "life" when it got fertilized. It was already life.

The *actual* question that's being asked is when does personhood begin, because that's when rights and consideration for the individuals moral well being begins.

I'm not a biologist. I'm a physical scientist with specialization in physical & analytical chemistry. Now, I admit that my biology knowledge is not vast and my language may not have been precisely accurate (or it may have, since the interior of cells is still a black box, and we still do not know the precise chemical physics of fertilization)

The question being asked wasn't when does personhood begin - and I agree with you that is a very different idea to when life begins. When does personhood begin? This is defined legally, not scientifically, so it really isn't a concern of mine from a scientific point of view. Legally, personhood can be revoked at any time by the government.

This post was edited by El1te on May 22 2023 01:53pm