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May 18 2023 11:03pm
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And that is already possible. There is nothing stopping them (you).


I am not asking you what is possible and what isn't. I am asking you whether you agree with the principle that white people should be allowed to not associate with black people if that's what they want. I want to hear from you whether you think forced racial integration is just.
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May 18 2023 11:05pm
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I am not asking you what is possible and what isn't. I am asking you whether you agree with the principle that white people should be allowed to not associate with black people if that's what they want. I want to hear from you whether you think forced racial integration is just.


People are already allowed to be racist, yes.
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May 18 2023 11:08pm
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You can already do that as long as you aren't a place of public accomodation.

You can start invite-only businesses that don't serve black people, start clubs that don't allow black people, or whatever you want.

But if you are open to the public you have to be open to the public, because those black people pay taxes to maintain the street your business is on same as everybody else does, so if you are using the public you have to be open to the public.


The issue I have with this is that you can apply it to everything. For example, the invite-only businesses. You can argue that these use utilities that are maintained by black people's tax money so they can't discriminate either.

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May 18 2023 11:09pm
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People are already allowed to be racist, yes.


I didn't ask you whether people are allowed to be racist. I asked you whether you think forced racial integration is just.
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May 18 2023 11:10pm
Quote (JessiWan @ May 18 2023 10:09pm)
I didn't ask you whether people are allowed to be racist. I asked you whether you think forced racial integration is just.


How is it forced?
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May 18 2023 11:10pm
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The issue I have with this is that you can apply it to everything. For example, the invite-only businesses. You can argue that these use utilities that are maintained by black people's tax money so they can't discriminate either.


Yes, you can't discriminate against black people in providing utilities.

See, the issue here is you don't want the option to not interact with black people. You want the option to force black people to stay away from you. That's not how rights work. Nobody owes you a space free of something you don't like, but you can carve that space in your own personal property.

I didn't like growing up with white trash meth addicts, but I didn't insist they move away. I moved away from them.
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May 18 2023 11:11pm
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How is it forced?


Maybe you should simply answer my question instead of dodging and deflecting. You know perfectly well the spirit of my question.
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May 18 2023 11:12pm
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Maybe you should simply answer my question instead of dodging and deflecting. You know perfectly well the spirit of my question.


White people forced black people to the USA. So it really seems like the white people who don't want to interact with them should leave. It's not like they're here by their own doing.

What is it with whites and not wanting to take responsibility?
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May 18 2023 11:13pm
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Maybe you should simply answer my question instead of dodging and deflecting. You know perfectly well the spirit of my question.


What was 'forced' given that Black people are largely in the US due to slavery?
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May 18 2023 11:15pm
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Yes, you can't discriminate against black people in providing utilities.

See, the issue here is you don't want the option to not interact with black people. You want the option to force black people to stay away from you. That's not how rights work. Nobody owes you a space free of something you don't like, but you can carve that space in your own personal property.

I didn't like growing up with white trash meth addicts, but I didn't insist they move away. I moved away from them.


I didn't say people owed me a space free of something I didn't like. I am saying that we should work towards that if that's what we want.

And I think moving away instead of trying to confine something bad is an undesirable strategy. For example, if I think drug addiction is bad, then I should work towards confining it, and then work on eliminating it. Simply moving away sounds like a coward's action.
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