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#21
Mar 23 2023 01:50pm
Quote (Cascadian @ Mar 23 2023 08:48pm)
I'm glad I was able to help clarify that the invasion wasn't illegal.


No you were not, evidence provided in the OP at specified timestamp.

Hope that helps
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Mar 23 2023 01:53pm
Quote (Djunior @ 23 Mar 2023 12:50)
No you were not, evidence provided in the OP at specified timestamp.

Hope that helps


Here is their authorization which makes the invasion legal: https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N02/682/26/PDF/N0268226.pdf

Hope that helps.

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Mar 23 2023 01:54pm
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I have, my only issue is he still the leading candidate for the R party in 24'


so what, he wont win anyway

Quote (fender @ Mar 23 2023 08:42pm)
i'm sorry to tell you, but you've been had. the whole "anti interventionist" / "bring our troops back home" rhetoric by trump was empty. he noticed it resonated well with his base, so he just repeated it constantly - in order to make gullible morons, who mistake campaign slogans for policy, believe he was anti war.
in reality, however:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-drones-idUSKCN1QN2PD

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-killings-count/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/us/politics/trump-troop-withdrawals-war.html

also, he might not have managed to start a new war, but it surely wasn't for a lack of trying. his various escalation attempts with iran nearly sparked a conflict that would have dwarfed any previous wars the US fought in the middle east. of course that doesn't go on the record, because it luckily didn't happen. just saying - and to be fair, i don't believe he did it because he desperately wanted his own war. i assume his primary motive was to destroy obama's legacy. if that's better or maybe even worse, i guess depends on your personal opinion, just mentioning it so you don't get the impression i thought trump had any sort of real conviction on the matter, one way or the other...


fair enough with the drone strikes, its almost like its the bread and butter of the job these days, thats why i didnt include it

clearly that does not make it any better

trump did not attempt to "escalate" things with iran, he dared to oppose the obvious bullshit deal that iran is undermining every single day

but we know by now that trump REEEEEE is more important than the concern that iran is duping everyone
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Mar 23 2023 01:55pm
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Here is their authorization which makes the invasion legal.

https://undocs.org/Home/Mobile?FinalSymbol=S%2FRES%2F1441(2002)&Language=E&DeviceType=Desktop&LangRequested=False

Hope that helps.


Manipulation and lies do not make it legal.

All of that stuff is being discussed in the vid.

You are wrong, period
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Mar 23 2023 01:55pm
Quote (Djunior @ 23 Mar 2023 12:55)
Manipulation and lies do not make it legal.

All of that stuff is being discussed in the vid.

You are wrong, period


I guess we are making up new definitions of words like "legal"
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Mar 23 2023 01:58pm
Quote (Cascadian @ Mar 23 2023 08:55pm)
I guess we are making up new definitions of words like "legal"


You openly stated you refuse to watch what I posted in the OP so you have no position to argue here.

And your deflections don't work btw, I suggest you simply watch the vid and the statement from Kofi Annan at the specified timestamp.

This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 23 2023 01:59pm
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#27
Mar 23 2023 02:13pm
Bush himself ? He was such an asshole he didn't even figured out (imho) that infrastructures destruction would lead to so much civilians deaths. Contaminated water because no water processing plants because no power plants.
Yet strategists of many countries would be indicted, those who know, those who specifically targeted the infrastructures. Since the effect was delayed they can always claim they didnt know. Half True.

On the other hand guys like Putin or Xi-Jingping are vastly more responsible, and ordered alot of other bad things anyway (repression on their own people).

I would say; first Putin, Then Xi-Jingping, and then Bush. Also all their respective crews.
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Mar 23 2023 02:19pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 23 2023 09:13pm)
Bush himself ? He was such an asshole he didn't even figured out (imho) that infrastructures destruction would lead to so much civilians deaths. Contaminated water because no water processing plants because no power plants.
Yet strategists of many countries would be indicted, those who know, those who specifically targeted the infrastructures. Since the effect was delayed they can always claim they didnt know. Half True.

On the other hand guys like Putin or Xi-Jingping are vastly more responsible, and ordered alot of other bad things anyway (repression on their own people).

I would say; first Putin, Then Xi-Jingping, and then Bush. Also all their respective crews.


@19:00 --> between 275K - 306K civilians died and you believe Putin is worst, then Xi and then Bush?

This is for you

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Mar 23 2023 02:24pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ 23 Mar 2023 21:13)
Bush himself ? He was such an asshole he didn't even figured out (imho) that infrastructures destruction would lead to so much civilians deaths. Contaminated water because no water processing plants because no power plants.
Yet strategists of many countries would be indicted, those who know, those who specifically targeted the infrastructures. Since the effect was delayed they can always claim they didnt know. Half True.

On the other hand guys like Putin or Xi-Jingping are vastly more responsible, and ordered alot of other bad things anyway (repression on their own people).

I would say; first Putin, Then Xi-Jingping, and then Bush. Also all their respective crews.


iraq was first, so bush first. fair is fair.

you raise an important point though, their "crews", their administrations, their advisors and propagandists, all the war mongers and merchants deserve their gallows: the cheneys, the rumsfelds, the mccains, the wolfowitzes, the powells, the kristols...
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Mar 23 2023 02:27pm
Quote (Djunior @ 23 Mar 2023 21:19)
@19:00 --> between 275K - 306K civilians died and you believe Putin is worst, then Xi and then Bush?

This is for you

https://i.imgur.com/ndI8EgF.jpg


Bush is more likely indirect victimes, consequences that a country like US should have anticipated, they didnt, they leaders are guillty.

So you are so emo you aren't even realizing you are wrong and you are doing personal attacks.

- Putin or Xi-Shitping did direct orders and validated war crimes or genocides, this was under their control, in almost real time. For decade(s) now.

- Bush destroyed infrastructures and later only they realized the horrible consequences on iraqis.

Thus bush is should definitely be judged, you will excuse my correction and it was a pleasure to bring you back to reality.

Quote (fender @ 23 Mar 2023 21:24)
iraq was first, so bush first. fair is fair.

you raise an important point though, their "crews", their administrations, their advisors and propagandists, all the war mongers and merchants deserve their gallows: the cheneys, the rumsfelds, the mccains, the wolfowitzes, the powells, the kristols...


I am considering all the crimes they did foreign and domestic.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 23 2023 02:28pm
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