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Mar 30 2023 11:23pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 31 2023 06:21am)
Crazy thing, neither thing is a scientific article.


Just a legitimate websites even from gov itself (or am i wrong) reporting on scientists and their new work.

Pfizer spoke person coming out in eu parliament with vaccine never being tested for spread prevention is also not an actual scientist talking to other scientists. But its still a legitimate information which no1 came out to correct

This post was edited by SylvesterStallone on Mar 30 2023 11:24pm
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Mar 30 2023 11:25pm
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Just a legitimate websites even from gov itself (or am i wrong) reporting on scientists and their new work.


So post the underlying work unless your contention is we should take every congressional investigation's claims as fact without evaluating the underlying evidence.

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Pfizer spoke person coming out in eu parliament with vaccine never being tested for spread prevention is also not an actual scientist talking to other scientists. But its still a legitimate information which no1 came out to correct


Yes this would be how vaccine clinical trials work but go on. Here's the original paper for the Pfizer vaccine trial. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577 Find me where they say they tested for transmission/spread.

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Mar 30 2023 11:33pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 31 2023 06:25am)
So post the underlying work unless your contention is we should take every congressional investigation's claims as fact without evaluating the underlying evidence.



Yes this would be how vaccine clinical trials work but go on. Here's the original paper for the Pfizer vaccine trial. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577 Find me where they say they tested for transmission/spread.


They didn't test it.
But reason most young people got vaccinated was to prevent the spread cos that was the narrative.
"it stops with you", "do it for the elderly", etc.
What was the condition to fly international flights?
1. Show vaccine proof cos that means you dont have covid and cant spread the virus
Or
2. Show negative test cos that means you dont have covid and cant spread the virus
Except that 1. was a fabricated lie supported in media by pfizer disregarding them never having an official statement saying YES or NO to spread efficency
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Mar 30 2023 11:40pm
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Mar 30 2023 10:33pm)
They didn't test it.
But reason most young people got vaccinated was to prevent the spread cos that was the narrative.
"it stops with you", "do it for the elderly", etc.
What was the condition to fly international flights?
1. Show vaccine proof cos that means you dont have covid and cant spread the virus
Or
2. Show negative test cos that means you dont have covid and cant spread the virus
Except that 1. was a fabricated lie supported in media by pfizer disregarding them never having an official statement saying YES or NO to spread efficency


At the time the vaccines came out, they did well to stem person-to-person transmission (See here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597) , again citing actual sources instead of "Muh fefes". You can't blame the vaccine companies for making a vaccine against a variant only to lose efficacy as the virus evolves. Do you rage that your flu vaccine from 2010 is ineffective now? I see we're not longer supporting our statements with actual research despite you trying to ding someone for that, but can't cite a single paper to support your ramblings. I thought I'd have a chance to have a discussion with a fellow scientist after you hit sauc for not reading papers, but clearly, you're just a crank.

Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Mar 30 2023 02:00pm)
If you spent 1% of time you spend on jsp actually reading science papers and listening to science podcasts, perhaps there would be at least 1 thing you were not wrong about.
One can dream


inb4 you start REEing

This post was edited by Sioux on Mar 30 2023 11:40pm
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Mar 30 2023 11:43pm
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At the time the vaccines came out, they did well to stem person-to-person transmission (See here: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2116597) , again citing actual sources instead of "Muh fefes". You can't blame the vaccine companies for making a vaccine against a variant only to lose efficacy as the virus evolves. Do you rage that your flu vaccine from 2010 is ineffective now? I see we're not longer supporting our statements with actual research despite you trying to ding someone for that, but can't cite a single paper to support your ramblings. I thought I'd have a chance to have a discussion with a fellow scientist after you hit sauc for not reading papers, but clearly, you're just a crank.



inb4 you start REEing


How did they stop person to person transmission if they were:
-never tested for that even before release
-never had to have that role in vaccinated people

45 seconds video. You can make it through

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Mar 30 2023 11:44pm
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How did they stop person to person transmission if they were:
-never tested for that even before release
-never had to have that role in vaccinated people

45 seconds video. You can make it through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0


Literally posted you the article where they looked at transmission in the Alpha/delta waves. You came back with a youtube vid.

WHO TO BELIEVE, actual science or a government hearing

commence the REEing
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Mar 30 2023 11:50pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 31 2023 06:44am)
Literally posted you the article where they looked at transmission in the Alpha/delta waves. You came back with a youtube vid.

WHO TO BELIEVE, actual science or a government hearing

commence the REEing


And there it is. Even despite the fact that its Pfizer official spokesperson speaking on the matter with the information given to her by her superiors from Pfizer based on research data, it's irrelevant. Gotcha
Transmission was never planned, it wasn't designed for it, it wasn't tested for it prior to release of vaccine. It's the thing that sold it.

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Mar 30 2023 11:52pm
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Mar 30 2023 10:50pm)
And there it is. Even despite the fact that its Pfizer official spokesperson speaking on the matter with the information given to her by her superiors from Pfizer based on research data, it's irrelevant. Gotcha
Transmission was never planned, it wasn't designed for it, it wasn't tested for it prior to release of vaccine. It's the thing that sold it.


They are literally stating their initial trial did not set up for transmission testing. Other researchers looked after the fact. Sorry scientists try to be precise in their language.
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Mar 30 2023 11:55pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mar 31 2023 06:52am)
They are literally stating their initial trial did not set up for transmission testing. Other researchers looked after the fact. Sorry scientists try to be precise in their language.


It stops with you bro. And dont forget, if you question Anthony fauci, you question science. You're not an npc.
Now back to eating fruit loops since 2022 data shows its on equal level of health benefits like eggs and steak.
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Mar 30 2023 11:58pm
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Mar 30 2023 10:55pm)
It stops with you bro. And dont forget, if you question Anthony fauci, you question science. You're not an npc.
Now back to eating fruit loops since 2022 data shows its on equal level of health benefits like eggs and steak.


Says the person who can't respond to a single actual science article and only lives in memes/youtube vids.

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