what do you mean do I also believe in 1000s of others? you just quoted me saying im not religious

being a monkey is just another religion
ANCIENT CHINESE RECORDS ABOUT JESUS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A463qHMglLo

I was in the middle of editing my response as I hit post reply by accident. Disregard that part.
Reread it again as I just finished editing.

This post was edited by addone on Jul 22 2023 02:48pm

no, it's overly dismissive because incredibly important to western morality and law.

you didn't address this at all

this is a lack of observation on your part

This post was edited by majorblood on Jul 22 2023 02:56pm

Also forgot to add.
Yes it would be impressive because it would confirm that it's real and not just words on a dusty 2000 year book. Why would you not listen to a guy who gives you everlasting life and proves that. Even though it just might be super advanced person from the future. Why would you not believe someone who can cure cancer with a snap of his fingers and cannot be killed by any weapon walk on water and ressurect people from the dead? That's someone worth listening to.

But unfortunately no such proof has been provided so what we are left with is magical stories.

This post was edited by addone on Jul 22 2023 03:02pm

Name me one moral that has originated from the "bible"? I'll wait.

You would find that a vast majority if not all of morals have come from elsewhere. Most advanced cultures at the time had those laws already in place like no killing, stealing etc. But even things like the golden rule didn't come from the Bible it's just a rephrase of the ancient wisdom

"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales[17] (c. 624 – c. 546 BCE)
"What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either." – Sextus the Pythagorean.[18] The oldest extant reference to Sextus is by Origen in the third century of the common era.[19]
"Ideally, no one should touch my property or tamper with it, unless I have given him some sort of permission, and, if I am sensible I shall treat the property of others with the same respect." – Plato[20] (c. 420 – c. 347 BCE)
"Do not do to others that which angers you when they do it to you." – Isocrates[21] (436–338 BCE)

Ancient Persia
The Pahlavi Texts of Zoroastrianism (c. 300 BCE – 1000 CE) were an early source for the Golden Rule: "That nature alone is good which refrains from doing to another whatsoever is not good for itself." Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5, and "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29[23]

Ancient Rome
Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BCE – 65 CE), a practitioner of Stoicism (c. 300 BCE – 200 CE) expressed a hierarchical variation of the Golden Rule in his Letter 47, an essay regarding the treatment of slaves: "Treat your inferior as you would wish your superior to treat you."[24]

Etc there are many examples

There might one or two which had helped bring more awareness. Bible in a sense had a lot of influence and bigger broadcasting network. So you could say it helped to spread certain laws, ideas or morals faster than if they normally would.

I already mentioned this throughout this thread that bible/religion was a somewhat useful tool in the past. I dont dismiss electroshock therapy or burning people at a stake either. Now these methods are seen as cruel and unproductive but once upon a time they too had their uses.

This post was edited by addone on Jul 22 2023 03:33pm

the entire western legal system is based off the fusion of canon law + roman law, to dismiss it as 'just a fairytale' is silly. I get that you don't believe in god, but the bible and the morality related important to western society still.

i never said the bible was the origin of every moral idea inside of it, nor is that important

This post was edited by majorblood on Jul 22 2023 03:34pm

Cannon law borrowed from other existing sources and schools of thought yes. It's like saying all movies come from Netflix and Amazon prime. Those networks are a conglomerate of other movies. Cannon/christian law is a mash of existing ideas that are either rephrased, repackaged or straight up copy paste.

I do give credit for helping spread and expand on some of the ideas but it's a farcry to give full credit to Christianity.
Also dont forget to give Christians credit for destroying many cultures and suppressing many ideas that could of helped humanity progress much faster.

Also I don't dismiss the bible in its entirety I am dismissing the majority of it for its magic and supernatural claims in a sense that it has failed to provide proof. There are things in it which even if plagiarized from elsewhere are still useful and practical. It's as useful as a quran or the three little pigs. It has stories and metaphors that can be applied in life but that's about the usefulness of it. The only other thing I can see is for control, power and making money from guillable people.

This post was edited by addone on Jul 22 2023 04:06pm

It sure does. It answers how you harden your heart whenever something is presented to you. You have already made up your mind before considering the evidence. This is called "bias". You are not open to anything. This is why I wasn't going to straight up give you the answer. You just don't have the ability to understand as you don't have the Holy Spirit.

The sign of Jonah provides 0 evidence for God? Was is not said that the sign of Jonah was referring to the crucifixion, burial, and resurrection of Jesus? The entirety of the Christian faith hinges on the resurrection of Jesus. Once again, can we trust the Bible? I already made a thread about this: https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=66318140&f=125

I do remember the original conversation, the point was proven in that, in time all we will have are the written documents. We've never met Lincoln and Einstein in the flesh and yet we have evidence they existed. So it's true for the Bible. These things were written down, recorded and passed down through generation after generation. Still going strong for over 2,000 years.

Oh? What are you offering in place of eternal life? You can try and twist the story of having wisdom which will be addressed in the sermon at Church later today. I already told you that Christianity literally saved my life, physically and spiritually. Are you making an assumption about me? I don't smoke and I've never drunk alcohol.

Think for myself? Way ahead of you. I did all the research and made all the threads over the years. Turns out if you actually do research, ask, seek and knock then the answers will be open to you. The reason this is so difficult for you is simple, you are still stuck on the tutorial.

You can start off by reading this:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

It all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain, which this world sees, is the result of sin.

So according to you a topographical metaphor is considered evidence... This is next level of simping.

I already explained the numerous evidence we have of Einstein and Lincoln which is vast consisting of thousands of sources. All we have of jesus is a mention from 1 book some 2000 years ago. And then copies and copies of the same thing. Even if a guy called jesus/yeshua did exist you certainly have even less evidence for the magic claims he performed.

Maybe realise you were brainwashed and need help. Maybe a first step is to examining your beliefs.

I for one won't be guillable to believe that man was created by a magic wizard out of dust and woman out of a rib in a magic garden, a talking snake and magic apples or whatever the fuck it tries to sell. The garden of Eden story is no different from any other creation myths, legends and folk tales that just about every culture on the planet had. Everyone has these made up bullshit stories yours just happened to come from a small part of the middle east.