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Jun 10 2018 11:02am
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 10 2018 11:31am)
I could attack the credibility of both of you easily. I could could defend and attack with honesty unlike what I receive

but what separates me from those that attack me personally is integrity

Love Truth Honor Respect. I intend to live up to my commitments


what is it with every sjw with terrible qualities viewing themselves as decent folk?
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Jun 10 2018 11:17am
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 10 2018 12:31pm)
I could attack the credibility of both of you easily. I could could defend and attack with honesty unlike what I receive

but what separates me from those that attack me personally is integrity

Love Truth Honor Respect. I intend to live up to my commitments


What do you do in real life again?
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Jun 10 2018 01:00pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 10 Jun 2018 17:31)
Unfortunately, his voters don't understand that soft power is arguably more important now than it's ever been, and "strengthen and increase the wealth of the American people" includes not tanking our relationship with the allies that keep us strong and wealthy..



You are simply claiming that soft power is more important than ever before. Without giving any reasons. Trump and his voters are disagreeing. And the United States' good relationship with Canada, western Europe and Japan is not the only reason for its wealth and safety. It's certainly a contributing factor, but just one piece of the puzzle. Diplomatic relations getting a little worse isnt gonna be the end of the world.


Quote (IceMage @ 10 Jun 2018 17:44)
I don't know what "to be the opposite of Obama" means. Do you mean that Obama was respectful and diplomatic towards our allies, and Trump got voted in because people wanted him to be rude and nasty to foreign leaders?


Thor inadvertently explained it: Obama was all about soft power, about nice relationships with as many foreign countries as possible while using as little force as possible. Obama stood for the viewpoint that soft power is becoming more and more important. Obama stood for multilateralism.

Trump, by contrast, stands for the viewpoint that soft power is overrated, particularly if it comes with a proven reluctance on using hard power. Trump is all about this hard power, about unilaterally forcing his will onto others, whether they like it or not. And in my personal impression, this is the approach that his core voters wanted out of him when they elected him into the White House. "Make America strong again", in the sense of "make use of America's strength again".



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btw, just for the record: I agree with both of you that Trump's breaks with diplomatic traditions could hurt him and the interests of the US. But I only see this danger if he really goes too far, and I see the red line a lot further away than you.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 10 2018 01:01pm
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Jun 10 2018 01:05pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Jun 2018 21:00)
You are simply claiming that soft power is more important than ever before. Without giving any reasons. Trump and his voters are disagreeing. And the United States' good relationship with Canada, western Europe and Japan is not the only reason for its wealth and safety. It's certainly a contributing factor, but just one piece of the puzzle. Diplomatic relations getting a little worse isnt gonna be the end of the world.




Thor inadvertently explained it: Obama was all about soft power, about nice relationships with as many foreign countries as possible while using as little force as possible. Obama stood for the viewpoint that soft power is becoming more and more important. Obama stood for multilateralism.

Trump, by contrast, stands for the viewpoint that soft power is overrated, particularly if it comes with a proven reluctance on using hard power. Trump is all about this hard power, about unilaterally forcing his will onto others, whether they like it or not. And in my personal impression, this is the approach that his core voters wanted out of him when they elected him into the White House. "Make America strong again", in the sense of "make use of America's strength again".



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btw, just for the record: I agree with both of you that Trump's breaks with diplomatic traditions could hurt him and the interests of the US. But I only see this danger if he really goes too far, and I see the red line a lot further away than you.


its kinda cute how nobody talks about the ridiculous trudeau press conference as soon as the door shut behind trump
almost as if he wanted to trigger trump and obviously it worked (like always)
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Jun 10 2018 01:14pm
Quote (ampoo @ Jun 10 2018 03:05pm)
its kinda cute how nobody talks about the ridiculous trudeau press conference as soon as the door shut behind trump
almost as if he wanted to trigger trump and obviously it worked (like always)



Trump speaked out loud that we will start a commercial war vs the rest of the world, and that he will win it. So now you expect other countries to wait and see like a good dog ?

Trudeau's intervention was calculated, now everyone knows that Canada is ready to back stab Trump anytime, opening the door to other countries to do the same.

Trump vs rest of the world... GL



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Jun 10 2018 01:32pm
Quote (PKSubban @ 10 Jun 2018 21:14)
Trump speaked out loud that we will start a commercial war vs the rest of the world, and that he will win it. So now you expect other countries to wait and see like a good dog ?

Trudeau's intervention was calculated, now everyone knows that Canada is ready to back stab Trump anytime, opening the door to other countries to do the same.

Trump vs rest of the world... GL


Trudeau tried to save face, tried to talk tough after the big dog had left the room. He pretended to be tough, at Trump's expense.

As much of an unhinged moron as Trump might be, he is a guy who gets the broad policy issues and the broad ideas right, and who to be taken seriously. Trudeau, on the other hand, is simply a joke and an embarrasment. And slowly, the Canadians seem to realize it. Look, for example, at the results of the recent Ontario elections (Ontario is accounting for one third of the Canadian population and 40% of Canada's GDP):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_general_election,_2018

Doug Ford, the trumpian leader of the Ontario conservatives, who by the press had often been labelled as "Trump light", has increased his party's seat count from 27 to 76, enough for a majority government. Meanwhile, Trudeau's Liberals dropped from 55 seats down to just 7, an unmitigated disaster, their worst result in over 15 years.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 10 2018 01:33pm
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Jun 10 2018 02:22pm
Quote (PKSubban @ Jun 10 2018 02:14pm)
Trump speaked out loud that we will start a commercial war vs the rest of the world, and that he will win it. So now you expect other countries to wait and see like a good dog ?

Trudeau's intervention was calculated, now everyone knows that Canada is ready to back stab Trump anytime, opening the door to other countries to do the same.

Trump vs rest of the world... GL


Canada is dependent on the United States, Trudeau will back down because Trump holds a stronger hand.

The United States is really in the right on this. Canada needs to stop screwing Americans and Canadians alike with the dairy protectionism.
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Jun 10 2018 02:59pm
Trump has weaker hands than a 10 year old girl, we just saw that.
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Jun 10 2018 03:03pm
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Canada is dependent on the United States, Trudeau will back down because Trump holds a stronger hand.

The United States is really in the right on this. Canada needs to stop screwing Americans and Canadians alike with the dairy protectionism.



Trudeau will not back down on the dairy quota system , 50% of the industry is in Quebec
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Jun 10 2018 03:07pm
Quote (remco6 @ 10 Jun 2018 23:03)
Trudeau will not back down on the dairy quota system , 50% of the industry is in Quebec


frenchie socialism at work once again :rofl:

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 10 2018 03:08pm
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