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Jun 6 2018 01:56pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Jun 2018 21:48)
you mean the surveillance that was leaked out, and thus earned snowden a lifetime trip around the world, because its very susceptible to challenge in the SCOTUS?

nothing about due process means that unfair laws and practices can't be passed, thats a function of the legislative branch. it is the function of the judicial branch to retroactively strike down laws that violate due process and exonerate people unfairly prosecuted in appropriate cases.

"beyond anything we have ever had in Germany", except that whole state sanctioned genocide. how about seizing of property in the war effort. how about kidnapping kids at the end of the war as young as 12 to force them into the army? :bonk:


come on, you do know that missing the question yielded a nice little "F" back in school?
you compare total war with modern surveillance, that wasnt even possible back in the day
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Jun 6 2018 02:05pm
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come on, you do know that missing the question yielded a nice little "F" back in school?
you compare total war with modern surveillance, that wasnt even possible back in the day


1. the patriot act and Obama's surveilance are a war tactic to target domestic members or terrorist organizations.

2. as they've been exposed they've been struck down, discontinued, or emasculated. this is called checks and balances.

3. im sure Merkel is watching all of you very carefully, you just have a complete shortage of patriots and anyone that's seen is it sitting silently like the cuck all germans are in the face of injustice.

real question, are you a real german? like 3rd or 4th generation? Did you have the sit down with grandpa where he started crying and lied through his teeth about not knowing what was going on with the jews? did you believe his lies? or did you just feel so sorry for the broken old man that you let him believe that you thought he held no blame? i bet that's it. or that your culture has taboo'd such subjects to avoid the shame.
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In July 2013, Chancellor Angela Merkel defended the surveillance practices of the NSA, and described the United States as "our truest ally throughout the decades".[461][462] After the NSA's surveillance on Merkel was revealed, however, the Chancellor compared the NSA with the Stasi.[463] According to The Guardian, Berlin is using the controversy over NSA spying as leverage to enter the exclusive Five Eyes alliance.[464]

Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich stated that "the Americans take our data privacy concerns seriously."[465] Testifying before the German Parliament, Friedrich defended the NSA's surveillance, and cited five terrorist plots on German soil that were prevented because of the NSA.[466] However, in April 2014, another German interior minister criticized the United States for failing to provide sufficient assurances to Germany that it had reined in its spying tactics. Thomas de Maiziere, a close ally of Merkel, told Der Spiegel: "U.S. intelligence methods may be justified to a large extent by security needs, but the tactics are excessive and over-the-top."[467]


In short, NSA tactics on Americans had the German stamp of approval, but once Germany was also spied on they got butthurt. Even thought it prevented terrorist attacks on German soil.
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Jun 6 2018 05:28pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Jun 2018 22:05)
1. the patriot act and Obama's surveilance are a war tactic to target domestic members or terrorist organizations.

2. as they've been exposed they've been struck down, discontinued, or emasculated. this is called checks and balances.

3. im sure Merkel is watching all of you very carefully, you just have a complete shortage of patriots and anyone that's seen is it sitting silently like the cuck all germans are in the face of injustice.

real question, are you a real german? like 3rd or 4th generation? Did you have the sit down with grandpa where he started crying and lied through his teeth about not knowing what was going on with the jews? did you believe his lies? or did you just feel so sorry for the broken old man that you let him believe that you thought he held no blame? i bet that's it. or that your culture has taboo'd such subjects to avoid the shame.


1. you mean to tell me now, that the end justifies the means after all? a guy, who opposes profiling, must certainly be against that

2. true, but also large numbers of innocent people had been under surveillance as well
actually its the same thing thats happening in the streets, you stop a dozen cars and one of it is a jackpot

am i smelling some double standards here?

3. merkel couldnt give the slightest fuck about security, a terrorist could dance on her nose (as we say in german) and she wouldnt do a thing

the rest is just complete bs on your end again, you do realise that you wont find a place that is as open to its failures in the past as we are? would be a blessing, if you guys could be the same
would be nice to hear some real talk about american war crimes
there are no taboos and thats a good thing, next time please go invest some time into your history knowledge

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In short, NSA tactics on Americans had the German stamp of approval, but once Germany was also spied on they got butthurt. Even thought it prevented terrorist attacks on German soil.


you really take merkel seriously? she is a joke
thats all an act to appease the media, everyone knows that countries are spying on each other
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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 05:28pm)
1. you mean to tell me now, that the end justifies the means after all? a guy, who opposes profiling, must certainly be against that

2. true, but also large numbers of innocent people had been under surveillance as well
actually its the same thing thats happening in the streets, you stop a dozen cars and one of it is a jackpot

am i smelling some double standards here?

3. merkel couldnt give the slightest fuck about security, a terrorist could dance on her nose (as we say in german) and she wouldnt do a thing

the rest is just complete bs on your end again, you do realise that you wont find a place that is as open to its failures in the past as we are? would be a blessing, if you guys could be the same
would be nice to hear some real talk about american war crimes
there are no taboos and thats a good thing, next time please go invest some time into your history knowledge



you really take merkel seriously? she is a joke
thats all an act to appease the media, everyone knows that countries are spying on each other


I don't support them. U said it wasn't a fair comparison because one was in war. Were in a war.

I'm picking apart ur words more than offering any real opinions. As soon as u start posting correct info we can get more into what I think.
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Jun 6 2018 09:50pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 6 Jun 2018 21:08)
If cops didnt profile it would be like one of us using uber and choosing the driver with 1/5 stars rating


^^^^^^^^^^^^

great analogy! :hail:

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Basic police work varies greatly by country..


exactly. for example, take a look at the british police who is famous for their kindness, their calm and their preference for non-violent solutions.

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^_^ :rofl:
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^^^^^^^^^^^^

great analogy! :hail:



exactly. for example, take a look at the british police who is famous for their kindness, their calm and their preference for non-violent solutions.

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https://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Police+medic_ae06c2_3761688.jpg

^_^ :rofl:


No one got shot.
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Jun 6 2018 11:20pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Jun 2018 04:30)
the question whether voters will see trump as a figure who's credible in his support of and respect for the troops is different from the question whether they will side with the troops/patriotism or with minority millionaires who tell them to "check their privilege".

those nba, nfl, mlb, nhl players work hard, sure, but most people do. the reason why they are millionaires is that they got lucky in the genetic lottery and grew up to be freakishly tall (nba) or absurdly sturdy (nfl). and those non-white millionaires who turned their genetic luck into money are now telling their white working class viewers, who often times had to work 30 hours or more at minimum wage to afford coming to the stadium, about how privileged they are for being white and that skin color is they main divide in america, not rich_vs_poor.


strawmanning hard there, just like your emperor. nobody is protesting against 'white working class viewers', just like nobody is protesting 'soldiers' or 'america' in general, or whatever the dishonest right tries to make this about. no, they were protesting police brutality, particularly but not exclusively the kind that's racially motivated.
just because you guys don't even want to acknowledge that it exists, does not mean you can pretend it's about 'patriotism, veterans, working class americans' or whatever bs you're trying to hide behind...

i agree about one thing though, you correctly identified that the real divide should not be about race. it is though - but that's not the fault of some athletes trying to raise awareness for social problems. it's the politicians and the companies and individuals that own them, that managed to corrupt america to a point where they basically write their own laws. they fuel it, because as long as poor people fight amongst each other, as long as the 'lazy mexicans, violent blacks, privileged whites' are given enough reasons to hate one another, they don't really question if they, at the end of the day, aren't all fighting the same fight, being exploited by the elites who get to make policies that mostly benefit them while pointing their fingers at the flavour of the day minority, making them responsible for the other poor ppl's misery. meanwhile tose in charge get the lion share of tax breaks; they get healthcare; they can determine that a couple of trillions spent on fighting 'against terror and for democracy' in the middle east, feeding the mighty MIC, is reasonable - but free college education unfortunately just unaffordable (and 'socialist' anyway - which is basically 'communist', and we all know communists are evil, that's how easy the world can be); why deregulating banks and privatising profits in general is ok, but bailouts have to be paid for by everyone, losses have to be socialised; why wages just can't be any higher even though productivity and profits are constantly increasing...

no, the REAL problem are "those unpatriotic 'sons of bitches', daring to kneel during the national anthem", says the billionaire draft and tax dodger who attacks war heroes and gold star families. "we can't have that, they are a shame for america." and his followers uncritically agree: "how dare they attack white people and the country i love? DURKA DUR!". pawns...

This post was edited by fender on Jun 6 2018 11:33pm
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fender aka heinrich von goebbels the descendant of joseph calling anyone else a pawn :rofl:
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Quote (fender @ 7 Jun 2018 07:20)
strawmanning hard there, just like your emperor. nobody is protesting against 'white working class viewers', just like nobody is protesting 'soldiers' or 'america' in general, or whatever the dishonest right tries to make this about. no, they were protesting police brutality, particularly but not exclusively the kind that's racially motivated.


I dont deny that there's racially motivated police brutality. But I dont think that every single instance of white-cop-on-black-suspect escalation is racially motivated either. And I in particular doubt that privileged athlete superstar millionaires are the ones who can reliably dinstinguish between the two.


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just because you guys don't even want to acknowledge that it exists, does not mean you can pretend it's about 'patriotism, veterans, working class americans' or whatever bs you're trying to hide behind...


Again, I absolutely acknowledge that racially charged police misbehavior does exist. Just not to the epidemic extend that the left tries to make everyone believe. AND: acknowledging a problem does not imply that every occasion is suitable to be made about this problem. Sports events, the national anthem and so on are the wrong occasion if you ask me.



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