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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 01:03pm)
oh look, some deranged leftist has to resort to some bullshit nazi equivalences
that a completely new one....oh wait

"we, unlike you, don't culturally find it acceptable to overpolice and pick on a minority group just because they're being troublesome"
neither do we, got any prove for this stupidity? every police on this planet is acting on experience and the good old feeling in the gut, local officers do know their guys

is that all you can do?

the funny thing is, that the study you post is indeed very interesting, but also way more balanced than your social justice warrior crap :lol:
do you read your own stuff?

"Becker’s outcome test is a compelling measure of discrimination. But it’s also an imperfect barometer of bias. The test can fail to detect discrimination when it’s there and can indicate discrimination when it’s not there, as we and other researchers have observed."
just to name one example
as a matter of fact the study proves my point, that search rates are mostly a result of the daily experiences of police officers and vary a lot

also, your lazy brain fails to take a closer look at the locations, you will find places with shitloads of gang crime and possible hotspots of crime not too far away from the borders

i do thank you for a good read though



stop mixing things up, i gave a suggestion about how officers make their choices
its not a different experience, when every person that is stopped has a little chat, shows their papers and goes on
for the particular individual there is no difference

and i am not talking of isolated incidents, where the poorly trained us police is embarrassing itself


are you actually too dumb to realize i was mocking you because you're not worth engaging seriously? you deny reality, then contradicted yourself. punching bags put up a better fight.

now why don't you give me, an american with a bachelors degree in criminal justice, another lesson on the american criminal justice system, from Germany.

on this subject you're nothing but a fuckdoll, and i've already filled you up for the day.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Jun 2018 20:47)
as I said: there are two factors at work:
1.) poverty causes crime, crime causes a cautious, tense police.
2.) racial prejudice can also cause a police that treats blacks or latinos worse than they would treat whites in comparable situations.

so, now, you have a cop pulling over a black guy in a notorious, crime-prone neighborhood in the middle of the night, and he is quite rude and in a no-nonsense mode. how do you know if the cop is rude because of his experience telling him that this is a dangerous place with a high concentration of criminals, or if he is rude because he hates blacks? and on top of this: why does anyone think that guys like colin kaepernik of all people would be able to distinguish these two possible causes for the same cop behavior? and why would I want to hear a description of how badly blacks "in da hood" are treated from folks who havent been "to da hood" for many years since they are now living in a villa in hollywood?


i guess its too much to ask of wannabe intellectuals with no clue about police work to just take 1 minute to try and imagine being an officer

Quote (EndlessSky @ 6 Jun 2018 20:47)
-All cops profile


thats the bottom line
profiling is the core of police work anywhere in the world

anything else would outright stupid and dangerous

Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Jun 2018 21:07)
are you actually too dumb to realize i was mocking you because you're not worth engaging seriously? you deny reality, then contradicted yourself. punching bags put up a better fight.

now why don't you give me, an american with a bachelors degree in criminal justice, another lesson on the american criminal justice system, from Germany.

on this subject you're nothing but a fuckdoll, and i've already filled you up for the day.


when morons like you, who are completely immune to the most basic logic, have a degree........then america truly is fucked

you are the embodiment of the clueless theorist, who makes life so hard for police officers

This post was edited by ampoo on Jun 6 2018 01:09pm
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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 03:07pm)
i guess its too much to ask of wannabe intellectuals with no clue about police work to just take 1 minute to try and imagine being an officer



thats the bottom line
profiling is the core of police work anywhere in the world

anything else would outright stupid and dangerous



If cops didnt profile it would be like one of us using uber and choosing the driver with 1/5 stars rating
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Jun 6 2018 01:17pm
Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 01:07pm)
when morons like you, who are completely immune to the most basic logic, have a degree........then america truly is fucked

you are the embodiment of the clueless theorist, who makes life so hard for police officers


so first you say im clueless about police work, then once proven wrong you claim i'm making it harder on police.

you must really be an expert with some inside knowledge. while i was working with a company as a go-between for convicts and police officers i received not a single complaint from officers and consistently scored high on exit surveys with the officer, while many of my sjw-type peers didn't.

here's the deal moron, i know more about the american CJ system than you know about anything. probably know it better than you know about that shriveled prick between your legs. now take a second ot realize i haven't even talked about how this should be handled, i was just mocking you with nazi jokes. i haven't suggested one single program to make police jobs harder or easier. i just simply pointed out you're wrong about the stats, which you then admitted, and then lied about your meaning to duffman when called out. you want to have a tough on crime stance, fine nothing wrong with that. but you want to lie about enforcement statistics, nty. you don't know my positions just like you took an L not knowing my history. you are the clueless one, and all of your knowledge of the american CJ system is something you read online. i worked in it side by side with officers for almost a decade, now apologize and i'll leave your anus alone.

Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 01:17pm)
:lol:

how dare you, mighty thesnipa has a degree alright?
maybe he can enlighten us some more about refusing to accept reality


straight into vague nonsensical hyperbole. you've been officially buggered sir. stay small, and dont try getting more specific unless you want another probe.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ 6 Jun 2018 21:08)
If cops didnt profile it would be like one of us using uber and choosing the driver with 1/5 stars rating


:lol:

how dare you, mighty thesnipa has a degree alright?
maybe he can enlighten us some more about refusing to accept reality

Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Jun 2018 21:17)
i just simply pointed out you're wrong about the stats, which you then admitted, and then lied about your meaning to duffman when called out. you want to have a tough on crime stance, fine nothing wrong with that. but you want to lie about enforcement statistics, nty. you don't know my positions just like you took an L not knowing my history. you are the clueless one, and all of your knowledge of the american CJ system is something you read online. i worked in it side by side with officers for almost a decade, now apologize and i'll leave your anus alone.


you are almost like fender, imagining some crap and then use it as a starting argument
and thats pretty bad, sorry mate

your "i know more about the american CJ system than you know about anything" has nothing to do with the matter, i am talking about basic police work and guess what
the basics are the same everywhere on the planet

your fantasies are kinda disturbing by the way

This post was edited by ampoo on Jun 6 2018 01:21pm
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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 7 2018 06:17am)
:lol:

how dare you, mighty thesnipa has a degree alright?
maybe he can enlighten us some more about refusing to accept reality



you are almost like fender, imagining some crap and then use it as a starting argument
and thats pretty bad, sorry mate

your "i know more about the american CJ system than you know about anything" has nothing to do with the matter, i am talking about basic police work and guess what
the basics are the same everywhere on the planet

your fantasies are kinda disturbing by the way


Basic police work varies greatly by country..
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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 01:17pm)
:lol:

how dare you, mighty thesnipa has a degree alright?
maybe he can enlighten us some more about refusing to accept reality



you are almost like fender, imagining some crap and then use it as a starting argument
and thats pretty bad, sorry mate

your "i know more about the american CJ system than you know about anything" has nothing to do with the matter, i am talking about basic police work and guess what
the basics are the same everywhere on the planet

your fantasies are kinda disturbing by the way


interesting, i corrected you on making a false statement about enforcement by demographic in american police work, but my knowledge of american police means nothing. im not sure how you made that sentence work in your head.

now read back and learn something, i stated openly that blacks have higher crime rates and that profiling is an effective way to catch criminals. then i tried to teach you a lesson about due process, and how that ranks in priority compared to the rule of law and enforcement of criminals. we in america have a system where rights are held higher than what's necessarily best for the population, in Germany you don't, and it's why populist waves have historically made your people look like bitches.

Take your L kid. you say i deny reality while making contradictory posts. i've been an advocate for both due process and police in this subforum for years. while ferguson was happening i was considered a right winged police shill. now a few years later im supposedly a Fender-esque reality denying leftist. you're strawmanning and ignorant about what i speak.

just because i came at you aggro doesn't mean i was wrong. before you kneejerked into a string of nonsensical retorts you should have taken a second to read what i said. you got triggered by my forwardness, and now people are laughing at you.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 6 2018 01:25pm)
Basic police work varies greatly by country..


also this. i let that statement go because i dont want to get roped into an american vs german policing conversation to let ampoo have an easy out.

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Quote (Plaguefear @ 6 Jun 2018 21:25)
Basic police work varies greatly by country..


how exactly? it starts everywhere with low ranking officers on the ground dealing with the daily operations and patrolling in between

Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Jun 2018 21:31)
we in america have a system where rights are held higher than what's necessarily best for the population, in Germany you don't, and it's why populist waves have historically made your people look like bitches.


thats weird, when in reality the united states have state surveillance, that people here cant even think of :lol:
things like the patriot act go far beyond anything we have ever had in germany

oh boy, this must be a bad trolling attempt

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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 02:03pm)
its not a different experience, when every person that is stopped has a little chat, shows their papers and goes on
for the particular individual there is no difference

and i am not talking of isolated incidents, where the poorly trained us police is embarrassing itself


-black people don't have a different experience
-blacks are violent so cops have a reason to treat them differently
-stats don't count as they can be explained as a combination of violent blacks and poorly trained police
does this sum up your position on the issue?

the pulled over for no reason stats might be of interest to you
what are the odds that almost twice as many blacks are pulled over as whites for no reason at all?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/09/you-really-can-get-pulled-over-for-driving-while-black-federal-statistics-show/?utm_term=.0a4c25ff7732

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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 01:35pm)
how exactly? it starts everywhere with low ranking officers on the ground dealing with the daily operations and patrolling in between



thats weird, when in reality the united states have state surveillance, that people here cant even think of :lol:
things like the patriot act go far beyond anything we have ever had in germany

oh boy, this must be a bad trolling attempt


you mean the surveillance that was leaked out, and thus earned snowden a lifetime trip around the world, because its very susceptible to challenge in the SCOTUS?

nothing about due process means that unfair laws and practices can't be passed, thats a function of the legislative branch. it is the function of the judicial branch to retroactively strike down laws that violate due process and exonerate people unfairly prosecuted in appropriate cases.

"beyond anything we have ever had in Germany", except that whole state sanctioned genocide. how about seizing of property in the war effort. how about kidnapping kids at the end of the war as young as 12 to force them into the army? :bonk:
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