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Jun 6 2018 10:00am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2018 10:55am)
I never said that it constitutes "oppression" when whites hear about white privilege.

All I'm saying is that millionaires who live in huge ass mansions and earn more in one week than the average worker does in a whole year are bad messengers when it comes to certain groups of people being privileged or underprivileged.


Why? They weren't born millionaires... a lot of them grew up in rough circumstances. Now they have a platform. I think it's noble for these athletes to speak out.

The basic gist of the anti-anthem protest is that white people don't want to hear about the problems in these communities. They rather not have to think about how our system is screwing a lot of minorities... especially not during a Sunday football game. It's similar to the public opposition during the 60's protests.

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Jun 6 2018 10:03am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2018 08:55am)
I never said that it constitutes "oppression" when whites hear about white privilege.

All I'm saying is that millionaires who live in huge ass mansions and earn more in one week than the average worker does in a whole year are bad messengers when it comes to certain groups of people being privileged or underprivileged.



Dunno what trump and roseanne's racist tweet have to do with what I said.

And protest against injustice coming from the wrong messenger doesnt make the recipient a victim, but it invalidates the messege. It just doesnt work when the powerful superstar millionaire is lecturing the poor small-joe in the crowd about his supposed privilege.


It has to do with the constant manipulative shift of the narrative to white victim-hood because of uncomfortable reality

June 2018 and as of just yesterday we still see people have no idea what the actual protests are about

You and yours minimize the platform by personally judging and attacking the voice rather than listening to the message on behalf of a cause and it's done to keep the Mayberry crowd with hands over their eyes and plugs in their ears happy

Because them there negros need to stick to that ball playing and be thankful for them checks and worship what and how we tell them to on the field and hush up about them thugs getting beat on by those good folks in badges and stop disrespecting our war heroes by doing stuff and things
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Jun 6 2018 10:17am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2018 10:55am)
I never said that it constitutes "oppression" when whites hear about white privilege.

All I'm saying is that millionaires who live in huge ass mansions and earn more in one week than the average worker does in a whole year are bad messengers when it comes to certain groups of people being privileged or underprivileged.

be honest with yourself, rich or poor it wouldn't matter to you, it's the message that offends you
the fact that i would have a better experience than a black man when a cop pulls me over for speeding doesn't bother me but it bothers you to acknowledge such realities
why is that?

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Quote (IceMage @ 6 Jun 2018 18:00)
Why? They weren't born millionaires... a lot of them grew up in rough circumstances. Now they have a platform. I think it's noble for these athletes to speak out.


they escaped those rough circumstances by their luck in the genetic lottery. so in this case, them having overcome the problems of their childhood environment does not imply that they understand the system or how rigged (or fair or chaotic or whatever) it is.
they are not qualified for a sophisticated analysis of social dynamics - all they do is give their biased opinion which is shaped by their own experiences when growing up. they have experienced how cops treat blacks, fine. but they sure as hell dont have the oversight, the distance or the educational background to analyse why cops are more cautious and tense in notorious neighborhood than in a cushy suburb. they are not qualified to truly disentangle the economic deprivation from true racial resentment.

simply put, them being rich and successful and celebs doesnt make me any iota more inclined to listen to them. when I want to hear about the plight of underprivileged black communities, I go talk to community workers who operate in these neighborhoods instead of some athlete who's living in a bubble. when I want to hear about the problems of underprivileged blacks, I prefer to hear it from... well... someone who's actually underprivileged.



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The basic gist of the anti-anthem protest is that white people don't want to hear about the problems in these communities. They rather not have to think about how our system is screwing a lot of minorities... especially not during a Sunday football game. It's similar to the public polling during the 60's protests.


they dont want to get forced to hear about the problems in these communities. most working class whites are also getting screwed by the system. their neighborhoods are also underprivileged, often times deprived. they pay a ton of money to watch the game and find some distraction from their own troubles - this is not the right time nor the right place to ram someone else's problems down their throats.

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Jun 6 2018 10:35am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2018 09:26am)
they escaped those rough circumstances by their luck in the genetic lottery. so in this case, them having overcome the problems of their childhood environment does not imply that they understand the system or how rigged (or fair or chaotic or whatever) it is.
they are not qualified for a sophisticated analysis of social dynamics - all they do is give their biased opinion which is shaped by their own experiences when growing up. they have experienced how cops treat blacks, fine. but they sure as hell dont have the oversight, the distance or the educational background to analyse why cops are more cautious and tense in notorious neighborhood than in a cushy suburb. they are not qualified to truly disentangle the economic deprivation from true racial resentment.

simply put, them being rich and successful and celebs doesnt make me any iota more inclined to listen to them. when I want to hear about the plight of underprivileged black communities, I go talk to community workers who operate in these neighborhoods instead of some athlete who's living in a bubble. when I want to hear about the problems of underprivileged blacks, I prefer to hear it from... well... someone who's actually underprivileged.





they dont want to get forced to hear about the problems in these communities. most working class whites are also getting screwed by the system. their neighborhoods are also underprivileged, often times deprived. they pay a ton of money to watch the game and find some distraction from their own troubles - this is not the right time nor the right place to ram someone else's problems down their throats.


If protests were done where and how white folk wanted in accordance with their comfort zones and confirmation bias they wouldn't be protests
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Jun 6 2018 10:44am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2018 10:26am)
they dont want to get forced to hear about the problems in these communities. most working class whites are also getting screwed by the system. their neighborhoods are also underprivileged, often times deprived. they pay a ton of money to watch the game and find some distraction from their own troubles - this is not the right time nor the right place to ram someone else's problems down their throats.


1. the games are televised free over the air locally. if you're paying for a package it's because you're a moron who doesn't know how to stream.

2. no one is really forcing anyone to hear about it, they knelt, people asked why. other people got mad, so they keep asking why. it's the response of angry whites that's making you hear about it, not the continued kneeling. it's maybe 1-2 people per team at this point, and you'd likely not notice if it wasn't being spotlighted by the NFL announcers and twitter. sometimes they dont announce it, so angry whites move over to twitter to find out who knelt. then complain about it being thrown in their faces.

the real truth is this is as non-violent of a protest as u can get, and it was cleared as respectful by a veterans organization. the only people who are mad are racists, its that simple, as long as u aren't a veteran. otherwise you're telling people who approached veterans that they're being disrespectful to veterans by doing what veterans said was ok.

i think honestly knowing you, you're not racist. you just got tricked by people telling you theres grounds to be offended. and are either ignorant of this being cleared by veterans or lying to yourself about just how critical that is.

to be frank, you're an above average intelligence sucker for right winged propaganda. your stance on this is cookie cutter and predictable as hell. you'll deny anything you can to keep that stance while also lying to make yourself not feel racist. i wish you luck in breaking this but watching the lengths that idiots go to to avoid this being cleared by veterans and bringing in what these players owe you as the viewer makes that look unlikely. my advice, just play the "i'm poor so i dont wanna listen to poor black people problems" card and walk the line closer to overt racism. at least then you can look honest instead of moving goal posts and looking intellectually dishonest to crippling levels.
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Jun 6 2018 10:55am
Quote (duffman316 @ 6 Jun 2018 18:17)
be honest with yourself, rich or poor it wouldn't matter to you, it's the message that offends you
the fact that i would have a better experience than a black man when a cop pulls me over for speeding doesn't bother me but it bothers you to acknowledge such realities
why is that?


no matter how often that fake narrative is being repeated, it does not become true

Quote (IceMage @ 6 Jun 2018 18:00)
Why? They weren't born millionaires... a lot of them grew up in rough circumstances. Now they have a platform. I think it's noble for these athletes to speak out.

The basic gist of the anti-anthem protest is that white people don't want to hear about the problems in these communities. They rather not have to think about how our system is screwing a lot of minorities... especially not during a Sunday football game. It's similar to the public opposition during the 60's protests.


you act as if the working poor class in america is not screwed by the system, are you serious? :lol:
this is borderline retarded
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Jun 6 2018 10:59am
Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 10:55am)
no matter how often that fake narrative is being repeated, it does not become true


its been objectively proven that black men are pulled over more on average and that they receive more illegal commands and more bullshit requests/questions.

if you want to talk about false narratives maybe you should try reading a book on the subject, instead of spouting off about bullshit you're clueless on from another continent.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 6 Jun 2018 18:59)
its been objectively proven that black men are pulled over more on average and that they receive more illegal commands and more bullshit requests/questions.

if you want to talk about false narratives maybe you should try reading a book on the subject, instead of spouting off about bullshit you're clueless on from another continent.


it is also objectively proven that black men have very high crime rates and since police always works with their daily experience you are much more likely to find something, when stopping a black guy

by the way, being pulled over is not the end of the world (when you are not a criminal that is), just say hello, show your papers and goodbye
life can be that simple, but according to people like you police officers are doing this just for fun (facepalm)

and i was directly referring to the following statement
"i would have a better experience than a black man when a cop pulls me over for speeding"

this is simply a ridiculous opinion without any proof
speeding is speeding and being stopped might be the result of such misdemeanor

why are you so triggered btw? relax and instead of flaming people you might actually provide the proof you talk about (if it does exist)

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Quote (ampoo @ Jun 6 2018 10:09am)
it is also objectively proven that black men have very high crime rates and since police always works with their daily experience you are much more likely to find something, when stopping a black guy

by the way, being pulled over is not the end of the world (when you are not a criminal that is), just say hello, show your papers and goodbye
life can be that simple, but according to people like you police officers are doing this just for fun (facepalm)

and i was directly referring to the following statement
"i would have a better experience than a black man when a cop pulls me over for speeding"

this is simply a ridiculous opinion without any proof
speeding is speeding and being stopped might be the result of such misdemeanor

why are you so triggered btw? relax and instead of flaming people you might actually provide the proof you talk about (if it does exist)


Lots of words for someone that doesn't understand the point or problem at all
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