But... Black 'culture' is not all about poverty surely? Though it's likely steeped in it. It's about black music, art, food etc. And afaik that's quite different from white cultures. At least in its origins before it gets adopted by whites.

ill pick a random US state school: university of Michigan - annual figures:


amplify that for the top schools and private ones
but hey must be nice to be from privilege where that cost is inconsequential

not saying you are, just a general statement


bold: wat

This post was edited by excellence on Jun 2 2018 09:45pm

The parts that people criticize as "black culture" being responsible for poverty. Things like unhealthy foods, lack of importance of education, violence, etc.

Can't imagine being so poor

Not how shit works in the UK. Every ug course is 9k a semester no matter where you go.

Oh I see.

Well then yea. There don't seem to be particularly large differences between poor black people and poor white people in terms of the attitudes that help contribute to their poverty. This, in my mind, is likely because poverty itself is largely responsible for those attitudes in a kind of self-perpetuating cycle.

I wouldn't call that black culture though...

This post was edited by Scaly on Jun 2 2018 09:57pm

Tuition in and of itself is around 11-20k a year depending on the university. These are some top rated ones in Michigan, the uni I went to is listed on here....

You can go to a community college for around 2-3k a semester if you are commuting, and these costs above in that img are for tuition, there are more costs such as utencils and books. Also, room and board is your own expense that isn't tuition. It is room and board. You can commute, live with friends, live with family in the area or live on campus. There are many options to make it cheaper.

Also. Don't go to school out of state unless you are able to make yourself a resident of that state or you are doing over graduate schooling... It just isn't worth it otherwise.

This post was edited by ChrisKz on Jun 2 2018 09:58pm

we are on the same page here - although living expenses are still costs many have to pay. not everyone can “live at home” or be a RA, for example

with that said college is not some inconsequential cost for your average 17-18 year old even if you start by going to a state school or community for 2 years. and not everyone gets to putz around at a snail’s pace to graduate. then again not all of us (me and yourself included) are privileged aristocracy

This post was edited by excellence on Jun 2 2018 10:41pm

You have to be smart about college. You can't just up and go right out of high school if you aren't prepared. You will just meet dead ends and deadlines you do't' want to meet, classes you don't want to go to and expectations that you also can't and don't watn to meet.

Room and board, food and other expenses are living expenses in general. You are paying them, or at least somebody is, even if you are living at home with your parents.

Rather than being a meta child and going directly into college as soon as you graduate high school, you could figure out what you want to do. Work part or full time for 2 years and establish a work ethic, some pocket money and possibly more self-assurance.

I grew more when I was 21-23 than from 14-20.