Quote (Landmine @ Sep 2 2022 09:52am)

Jan 6th playbook? You know how stupid you sound. There was no battle. There was nothing. People showing up to protest is a fundamental right of this country. God damn you people are dumb.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 2 2022 09:59am)

democrats who call it a legit threat to our democracy are idiots. people who pretend it was just a fun walk through a govt building tho are also complete idiots.

it started as a protest, and it turned into a fairly violent run on the capital. people legitimately died, many more were injured.

people pushing past cops to get into a capital building while they take the electoral vote isnt a fundamental right. if they stayed outside they'd have an argument, they didn't, so they dont.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 2 2022 01:29pm)

Thank you for proving my point. Your attitude towards Jan 6 is mainstream among the Republican party. That wasn't the case in the immediate aftermath and many GOP voters were running away from what happened.



How do you define "legit threat?"

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 2 2022 12:29pm)

Thank you for proving my point. Your attitude towards Jan 6 is mainstream among the Republican party. That wasn't the case in the immediate aftermath and many GOP voters were running away from what happened.



How do you define "legit threat?"

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 2 2022 11:35am)

personally, something that could have changed the result of who is president. the vote was ceremonial, making it even more stupid they charged the capital, but also less of a legit threat.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 2 2022 12:38pm)

I don't think many people, if any, thought that would happen. I think they are more worried about a constitutional crisis that could trigger additional violence. To me, political violence is a legitimate threat to democracy.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 2 2022 11:46am)

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/read-the-unsealed-redacted-mar-a-lago-affidavit-00053905

If you go to page 3 and look at the Statutory Authority and Definitions, you can see definitions for the content (HUMINT, NOFORN, ORCON, etc.) that he handed over to the FBI (documented on page 17). To me, the HUMINT and ORCON designations were the most dangerous documents that he had and any unauthorized person in possession of them would be looking at some serious consequences. However, given that he's a former President, the DOJ tried to keep this quiet and treat him and his lawyers with the utmost respect. Had he handed over all the documents, I think the DOJ would have looked the other way and I think a lot of people would have come to the same conclusion.

Alas, it turns out that he did NOT turn over all the documents and his lawyers lied about it. The FBI had an informant and knew Trump possessed additional highly sensivite documents. If you look at pages 6 and 7 of the warrant/receipt you can see what was collected (look for TS/SCI designations)
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117151056/fbi-collected-multiple-sets-of-classified-documents-from-trumps-mar-a-lago-home

Based on the evidence picture that was released a day or two ago, we see a HCS-P/SI/TK designation which means the document contained information on human sources, communications intel, AND satellite surveillance.

At the end of the day, he possessed hundreds of documents that have incredible implications to our national security (which is why the classification status isn't relevant since the statute predates the classification system), he was incredibly reckless about storing them (they were mixed with unrelated documents/mementos and were stored insecurely), and then his team lied to the FBI about it. It's such a straightforward case that I don't see any way around it. He will be indicted some time after the midterms.

Quote (Landmine @ Sep 2 2022 01:39pm)

Glad to know that you admit that Joe Biden is a threat to our democracy.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 2 2022 12:10pm)

The reports I've read seem to be saying that the FBI (via leaks) is confident in a charge of obstruction, not a charge on any other the other things you listed here. Is that true, and if so, why is that?

Getting a charge to stick based on obstruction, but not on an underlying offense, would be disastrous for a DoJ that is already mired in scandal.

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Quote (Landmine @ Sep 2 2022 02:27pm)

Calling out 70 million plus people in a speech is quite chaotic.