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Sep 9 2020 10:19pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 9 2020 09:59pm)
such bs.. I didn't say he should of ran around screaming at the top of his lungs.
he should of told the truth. Not turn 50% of the country into deniers and idiots.. Should of acted to save American lives, not worry about re election, stock market, blah blah etc. if you listen to that guy and think he is out for anyone but himself your people radar is busted..


So he tells the truth and whats the truth? That everyone was downplaying it in Feb?
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Sep 9 2020 10:26pm
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How boring and predictable. Posting a video that you don't understand and failing to comprehend our political system. It's A LOT easier to get consensus on things that people don't care about. It's nearly impossible to get people to agree on wedge issues. Our system was deliberately designed to fail in regards to wedge issues (which is why I advocate changing it to a system more like yours in terms of representation). Also, why are you up at this hour? Are you some kind of janitor or something?


it is rather obvious that you're projecting there, as your previous attempts to dismiss the findings on which it is based already suggested, cockboy. you're the one who doesn't (want to) understand it, desperately trying to ignore its message by inventing moronic premises and ridiculous conclusions that lack any causation or actual logic.

fact is that you live in an oligarchy, and the people whose boots you lick so eagerly are an integral part of making sure that won't change - as they have done for their whole political careers. biden won't do a thing to give the working class what you pretend to want for them.
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Sep 9 2020 10:38pm
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So he tells the truth and whats the truth? That everyone was downplaying it in Feb?


um... that its worse than the flu for 1. not that its "like a cold" some people go to work with it"
Its going to go away in April like magic"
Its for sure on tape he's not just stupid, he a flat dishonest POS.
you really don't get this? Or you just like defending people that don't take action and let americans die at a higher rate than needed?
because he cut your tax rate?
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Sep 9 2020 10:42pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ 10 Sep 2020 06:38)
um... that its worse than the flu for 1. not that its "like a cold" some people go to work with it"
Its going to go away in April like magic"
Its for sure on tape he's not just stupid, he a flat dishonest POS.
you really don't get this? Or you just like defending people that don't take action and let americans die at a higher rate than needed?
because he cut your tax rate?


you can be 100% sure that someone of landmine's intelligence is nowhere close to a tax bracket that saw any significant benefits from trump's tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.
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Sep 9 2020 10:45pm
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you can be 100% sure that someone of landmine's intelligence is nowhere close to a tax bracket that saw any significant benefits from trump's tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.


when i first started posting in here i thought.. Hmm maybe wont be total shit fest.
these trumpists are farther gone than your normal FB sig red hat idiot. I have die hard R friends going.. yaaaa no that's not cool, etc.
BUT NOT IN HERE>> smh
Heees stiiilyo presshident
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Sep 9 2020 11:03pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 9 2020 11:38pm)
um... that its worse than the flu for 1. not that its "like a cold" some people go to work with it"
Its going to go away in April like magic"
Its for sure on tape he's not just stupid, he a flat dishonest POS.
you really don't get this? Or you just like defending people that don't take action and let americans die at a higher rate than needed?
because he cut your tax rate?


Nobody knew for sure whether it would be worse or better than the flu back in february. The projections were all over the place. As it turned out, its a few times worse- which is nowhere close to what any of the major figures or institutions were predicting, generally with either much lighter or heavier estimates. Fauci was asked whether he thought Trump was saying in public what his task force was telling him in private, and Fauci said that he was;

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On "The Daily Briefing," host John Roberts asked Fauci if he thought Trump had played down the threat of the virus.

"No, I didn't," Fauci responded. "I didn't get any sense that he was distorting anything. I mean in my discussions with him, they were always straightforward about the concerns that we had. We related that to him. And when he would go out, I'd hear him discussing the same sort of things. He would often say, 'We just got through with a briefing with the group from the task force,' and would talk about it. So it may have happened, but I have not seen that kind of distortion."

"I didn't really go over any of the text since it just came out," Fauci told Roberts. "But you know, in my discussions and the discussions of other task force members with the president, we're talking about the reality of what was going on.

"And then when we would get up in front of the press conferences, which were very, very common after our discussions with the president, he really didn't say anything different than we discussed when we were with him," he went on. "I may not be tuned in to the right thing that they're talking about. But, I didn't see any discrepancies between what he told us and what we told him, and what he came out publicly and said."
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Sep 9 2020 11:06pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 9 2020 10:03pm)
Nobody knew for sure whether it would be worse or better than the flu back in february. The projections were all over the place. As it turned out, its a few times worse- which is nowhere close to what any of the major figures or institutions were predicting, generally with either much lighter or heavier estimates. Fauci was asked whether he thought Trump was saying in public what his task force was telling him in private, and Fauci said that he was;


really? have you listened to it?
things like its airborne? Its about 5x worse than the severe flu, which turn out to be just about right, it not a touch thing blah blah.
smh
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Sep 9 2020 11:14pm
Quote (fender @ Sep 9 2020 09:26pm)
it is rather obvious that you're projecting there, as your previous attempts to dismiss the findings on which it is based already suggested, cockboy. you're the one who doesn't (want to) understand it, desperately trying to ignore its message by inventing moronic premises and ridiculous conclusions that lack any causation or actual logic.

fact is that you live in an oligarchy, and the people whose boots you lick so eagerly are an integral part of making sure that won't change - as they have done for their whole political careers. biden won't do a thing to give the working class what you pretend to want for them.


There's a reason why you use words like "boot-licker, cockboy, and "oligarchy." You're trying to elicit an emotional response when there's no reason to have one. I suppose it makes sense when you lack the intellectual capacity to make an argument. Just use emotion and ad hominem. Calling someone in the 1% a boot-licker is hilarious when it's the people you love so much (the working class dirtbags) who lick my boots. Their economic purpose in life is LITERALLY to serve people with disposable income. They cook for me, they drive me around, they shop for me, etc. But yes, I'M the boot-licker LMAO!

If you're genuinely interested in learning more I suggest reading some of the work by Lee Drutman:
The Business of America is Lobbying: How Corporations Became Politicized and Politics Became More Corporate
Breaking the Two-Party Doom Loop: The Case for Multiparty Democracy in America

I also suggest reading up on SCOTUS case law especially Buckley vs. Valeo (1976). I know that you're more suited for 5 minute YouTube videos but I assure you that there's far more information in things called books.

This post was edited by thundercock on Sep 9 2020 11:18pm
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Sep 9 2020 11:19pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 10 2020 12:06am)
really? have you listened to it?
things like its airborne? Its about 5x worse than the severe flu,which turn out to be just about right, it not a touch thing blah blah.
smh


We got the first initial reports of it being airborne, which were still being debated at the time of that quote. Trump has a penchant for stating uncertain reports as facts.
It was all over the news and the CDC was open about what they knew and didn't know.

They didn't know how easily it spread airborne, and China was actively lying about what they knew to deny it was airborne, and nobody really had a clue whether it would be worse than the flu. Being airborne doesn't automatically make something deadlier and more contagious than the flu, which is also deadly and airborne.
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Sep 9 2020 11:29pm
The real questions which were up in the air for a long time were:

- what's the transmission breakdown between contact, droplet and aerosols?
- what's the breakdown between symptomatic, pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic spread?


It took until May or June before we had solid data showing that smear infections play only a small role, while aerosols play a big role. It wasnt until July or so before we had solid evidence that asymptomatic spread plays almost no role
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