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May 31 2018 07:54am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 31 May 2018 02:39)
The resources they were sitting on, the wood from their forests, the people we took as slaves.

We basically took the third world's resources and gave them peanuts in return. That's how the first world was built.


simply laughable
western civilisation was built by us and no one else, slaves did some dirty work in the americas, but feel free to tell me how a country like germany that only had short term, low resource colonies has built everything on the backs of poor africans :lol:

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Quote (ampoo @ 31 May 2018 09:54)
simply laughable
western civilisation was built by us and no one else, slaves did some dirty work in the americas, but feel free to tell me how a country like germany that only had short term, low resource colonies has built everything on the backs of poor africans :lol:

hes projecting because his privileged ancestors bullied others for generations, and yet despite all this privilege little fella thor ended up being reliant on his mommie-in-law for groceries
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May 31 2018 08:33am
Quote (ampoo @ May 31 2018 07:54am)
simply laughable
western civilisation was built by us and no one else, slaves did some dirty work in the americas, but feel free to tell me how a country like germany that only had short term, low resource colonies has built everything on the backs of poor africans :lol:


not african slaves, just jew teeth.

unless you think killing off and scattering a rich minority population then siezing their property didn't help you guys.

not to mention you were rebuilt by the US, so your wealth is partially from our wealth from african slaves. you're no more the owners of your engineering than a person with a fake hip is responsible for their hip function.
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May 31 2018 09:31am
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not african slaves, just jew teeth.

unless you think killing off and scattering a rich minority population then siezing their property didn't help you guys.

not to mention you were rebuilt by the US, so your wealth is partially from our wealth from african slaves. you're no more the owners of your engineering than a person with a fake hip is responsible for their hip function.


Not to mention that Germany, although late to the party, did participate in colonization.
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May 31 2018 09:47am
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Not to mention that Germany, although late to the party, did participate in colonization.


i think a line needs to be drawn between "participated in colonization" and "largely gained wealth from colonization". Otherwise we get into a guilty by association thing where the degree to which you plundered the third world no longer matters, only participation in the act itself. It's the same white washing that slavery received historically, and the reason today we think of all slave holders as equally immoral, when in fact it was a spectrum from moral to immoral. Share cropping has been demonized as a perpetuation of slavery and also the path to success for many groups of black Americans, yet its precursor slavery has had all nuance removed with only "all slavery is bad because the act of owning someone makes it all equal." I guess this means animal abuse doesn't matter, because both are dog owners, one just whips them bloody.

Germany pre-war had some really insane engineering feats, and was clearly a bastion of knowledge on the continent. Post war their success is a direct result of the kindness and forgiveness of hte western world. we could have turned them and Japan into regional bread baskets, seized their production (read: not rebuilt), left them to rubble, and turned them into basically Poland. We invested in them for our own financial gain, which makes their success not really their own. The victors could have left the spoils, perhaps we should have salted the ground.
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i think a line needs to be drawn between "participated in colonization" and "largely gained wealth from colonization". Otherwise we get into a guilty by association thing where the degree to which you plundered the third world no longer matters, only participation in the act itself. It's the same white washing that slavery received historically, and the reason today we think of all slave holders as equally immoral, when in fact it was a spectrum from moral to immoral. Share cropping has been demonized as a perpetuation of slavery and also the path to success for many groups of black Americans, yet its precursor slavery has had all nuance removed with only "all slavery is bad because the act of owning someone makes it all equal." I guess this means animal abuse doesn't matter, because both are dog owners, one just whips them bloody.

Germany pre-war had some really insane engineering feats, and was clearly a bastion of knowledge on the continent. Post war their success is a direct result of the kindness and forgiveness of hte western world. we could have turned them and Japan into regional bread baskets, seized their production (read: not rebuilt), left them to rubble, and turned them into basically Poland. We invested in them for our own financial gain, which makes their success not really their own. The victors could have left the spoils, perhaps we should have salted the ground.

but we didnt. we were far more benevolent than most historical victors in war, and now we get german politicians and angry little german voyeurs on this very subforum lecturing us on how we should interact with jewish people today

the cycle is complete
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omg this loon LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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What would we do without Kim Kardashian’s imput?
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May 31 2018 10:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 31 2018 07:33am)
not african slaves, just jew teeth.

unless you think killing off and scattering a rich minority population then siezing their property didn't help you guys.

not to mention you were rebuilt by the US, so your wealth is partially from our wealth from african slaves. you're no more the owners of your engineering than a person with a fake hip is responsible for their hip function.


lel applying derivatives to the oppression Olympics, well done m8

A lot of misconceptions on how wealth was built in Europe in this thread. I mean yeah, it's fashionable nowadays to talk about how evil white men went around looting and raping the third world but that's not entirely accurate how Europe become wealthy.

Europe became wealthy because of Mercantilism, a precursor to Capitalism. They went to new places, established trade and gained from that trade, something we do today in a more complex and refined way. They brought new products to European markets, and sold European products to other markets and gained. Sure there was oppression but that wasn't a quality exclusive to Euro powers, in fact, they were a lot more civil in how they treated others compared to how African tribes treat each other or how Muslims treat blacks or how the Japs treated the Koreans and Chinese, etc.

Also this image of Euro powers setting up shops and wholesale oppression happening of ethnic populations was not reality most of the time. Most of the time the Euros came and were peacefully accepted. There's a reason why England, a small island kingdom for example was able to hold India & China for so long, and it's not because they were some ruthless dictators like the Japs were.

Not saying there wasn't oppression or inequality but those ethnic populations also greatly benefited from the technology that England brought to them and gained in wealth.
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