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Sep 9 2020 08:48pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 9 Sep 2020 16:45)
Where higher minimum wage has been implemented it has not resulted in higher unemployment in the United States.


That's a very biased data point. Higher minimum wages have almost exclusively been implemented in booming urban areas where the ongoing upward trajectory of the local economy and labor market were able to offset any potential negative affect of raising the minimum wage.


I actually think that higher minimum wages would be a big net positive in almost every place in America - but not to a fixed value, it has to be flexible enough to account for the state of the local economies and labor markets. A $15 minimum wage in Bumfuck, Nebraska would kill jobs, and the fact that it worked out fine in Seattle doesnt disprove that.

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Sep 9 2020 08:51pm
Quote (thundercock @ 9 Sep 2020 22:43)
Common sense
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The funny thing is, fenderp will point to his stupid video and say that "Americans support common sense gun control." Yet Americans can't agree on what "common sense" actually means which yields to no consensus which means no legislation is passed.

i’m sure the consensus is that fully semi-automatic one-handed rifles of war and mass destruction need to be regulated. fortunately they are already
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Sep 9 2020 09:11pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 9 2020 09:48pm)
That's a very biased data point. Higher minimum wages have almost exclusively been implemented in booming urban areas where the ongoing upward trajectory of the local economy and labor market were able to offset any potential negative affect of raising the minimum wage.

I actually think that higher minimum wages would be a big net positive in almost every place in America - but not to a fixed value, it has to be flexible enough to account for the state of the local economies and labor markets. A $15 minimum wage in Bumfuck, Nebraska would kill jobs, and the fact that it worked out fine in Seattle doesnt disprove that.


One notable study was done at the county-level in California, where minimum wage will change over the course of miles and not states. Basically no change.

If a minimum wage kills jobs depends on if the person produces less value than the wage (which is virtually never) and demand.

If there's demand, and that demand can be satisfied by hiring another person, the person will be hired.

It's also not cut and dry because higher wages make higher demands. There's actually been increased economic activity where minimum wage was implemented, so that also offsets the cost. If everybody has more money they are more likely to buy from WalMart, which actually meant when WalMart raised their internal minimum wage almost all of the money immediately went back to walmart.

Anyway, there's very few areas in America where an increased minimum wage would actually result in unemployment at $15 an hour, and that includes in bumfuck Alabama. Hell, let's just make it $12 and tie to inflation. That'd be a good middle ground.

The automation issue snipa brought up matters, but that'll be solved with greater changes such as a UBI, and I think the faster shit gets automated the more likely we will actually end up with a UBI instead of a hellscape.
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Sep 9 2020 09:39pm
Quote (thundercock @ 10 Sep 2020 04:43)
Common sense
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The funny thing is, fenderp will point to his stupid video and say that "Americans support common sense gun control." Yet Americans can't agree on what "common sense" actually means which yields to no consensus which means no legislation is passed.


how boring and predictable, another one of the countless times debunked talking points that you still treat as a valid argument for some reason. to any critical thinking person that's easily recognisable as one of the dishonest tactics that both establishments justify their inaction and opposition to meaningful change with:

"too bad, it's simply impossible to have every single american agree on one specific solution for *insert broadly supported / rejected issue*, so i guess we simply can't do anything, what a pity" - when that is EXACTLY the point of having career politicians in the first place: to figure out the details and make the best compromise, to draft legislation actually addressing the underlying issue.

the problem is that your ruling class (both sides btw, though admittedly not to the same degree) has weaponised a very deliberate and planned political divide, and turned it into a tool to ignore the people based on the disagreement on relatively irrelevant details, or outright vote against their own best interest out of spite for people of different (political) colours - all while special interest still DOES regularly get (most of) what they want:



oh no, what's that? cockboy doesn't agree with a premise allegedly underlying this video based on a STUDY that PROVES america is de facto an oligarchy, so i guess he can just dishonestly dismiss its findings - because 'surely we don't want 'burger-flippers' to determine us policy - and that is clearly the only logical conclusion from making america a representative democracy again, and the aim of the people who made the video. i am very intelligent.'

again, i've encountered enough bad faith bullshitters here, your tactics are not new to me, you're just camboy without the white nationalism and trump worship...
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Sep 9 2020 09:42pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 9 2020 10:43pm)
Common sense
Fair share
Reform
Change
Outsider/Insider

The funny thing is, fenderp will point to his stupid video and say that "Americans support common sense gun control." Yet Americans can't agree on what "common sense" actually means which yields to no consensus which means no legislation is passed.


I'm voting republican until RPG's are legal

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 9 2020 11:11pm)
One notable study was done at the county-level in California, where minimum wage will change over the course of miles and not states. Basically no change.

If a minimum wage kills jobs depends on if the person produces less value than the wage (which is virtually never) and demand.

If there's demand, and that demand can be satisfied by hiring another person, the person will be hired.

It's also not cut and dry because higher wages make higher demands. There's actually been increased economic activity where minimum wage was implemented, so that also offsets the cost. If everybody has more money they are more likely to buy from WalMart, which actually meant when WalMart raised their internal minimum wage almost all of the money immediately went back to walmart.

Anyway, there's very few areas in America where an increased minimum wage would actually result in unemployment at $15 an hour, and that includes in bumfuck Alabama. Hell, let's just make it $12 and tie to inflation. That'd be a good middle ground.

The automation issue snipa brought up matters, but that'll be solved with greater changes such as a UBI, and I think the faster shit gets automated the more likely we will actually end up with a UBI instead of a hellscape.


The only thing UBI will do is destroy the family and thus our civilization

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how boring and predictable, another one of the countless times debunked talking points that you still treat as a valid argument for some reason. to any critical thinking person that's easily recognisable as one of the dishonest tactics that both establishments justify their inaction and opposition to meaningful change with:

"too bad, it's simply impossible to have every single american agree on one specific solution for *insert broadly supported / rejected issue*, so i guess we simply can't do anything, what a pity" - when that is EXACTLY the point of having career politicians in the first place: to figure out the details and make the best compromise, to draft legislation actually addressing the underlying issue.

the problem is that your ruling class (both sides btw, though admittedly not to the same degree) has weaponised a very deliberate and planned political divide, and turned it into a tool to ignore the people based on the disagreement on relatively irrelevant details, or outright vote against their own best interest out of spite for people of different (political) colours - all while special interest still DOES regularly get (most of) what they want:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

oh no, what's that? cockboy doesn't agree with a premise allegedly underlying this video based on a STUDY that PROVES america is de facto an oligarchy, so i guess he can just dishonestly dismiss its findings - because 'surely we don't want 'burger-flippers' to determine us policy - and that is clearly the only logical conclusion from making america a representative democracy again, and the aim of the people who made the video. i am very intelligent.'

again, i've encountered enough bad faith bullshitters here, your tactics are not new to me, you're just camboy without the white nationalism and trump worship...


Its crazy listening to that fat fuk on tapes today that everyone in here is defending the village idiot.
The fact that he knew about how bad the virus was and literally lied and let more people die is crazy.
the simple fact these idiots in here "keeping the panic down" is an acceptable response.
full cult status
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Sep 9 2020 09:53pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 9 2020 09:42pm)
Its crazy listening to that fat fuk on tapes today that everyone in here is defending the village idiot.
The fact that he knew about how bad the virus was and literally lied and let more people die is crazy.
the simple fact these idiots in here "keeping the panic down" is an acceptable response.
full cult status


If trump finds out aliens exist and are a potential threat.

Should he A: scream run at the top of his lungs and cause mass panic or B: downplay it and try to figure out the best oath to take?
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Sep 9 2020 09:59pm
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If trump finds out aliens exist and are a potential threat.

Should he A: scream run at the top of his lungs and cause mass panic or B: downplay it and try to figure out the best oath to take?


such bs.. I didn't say he should of ran around screaming at the top of his lungs.
he should of told the truth. Not turn 50% of the country into deniers and idiots.. Should of acted to save American lives, not worry about re election, stock market, blah blah etc. if you listen to that guy and think he is out for anyone but himself your people radar is busted..

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Sep 9 2020 10:06pm
Quote (fender @ Sep 9 2020 08:39pm)
how boring and predictable, another one of the countless times debunked talking points that you still treat as a valid argument for some reason. to any critical thinking person that's easily recognisable as one of the dishonest tactics that both establishments justify their inaction and opposition to meaningful change with:

"too bad, it's simply impossible to have every single american agree on one specific solution for *insert broadly supported / rejected issue*, so i guess we simply can't do anything, what a pity" - when that is EXACTLY the point of having career politicians in the first place: to figure out the details and make the best compromise, to draft legislation actually addressing the underlying issue.

the problem is that your ruling class (both sides btw, though admittedly not to the same degree) has weaponised a very deliberate and planned political divide, and turned it into a tool to ignore the people based on the disagreement on relatively irrelevant details, or outright vote against their own best interest out of spite for people of different (political) colours - all while special interest still DOES regularly get (most of) what they want:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

oh no, what's that? cockboy doesn't agree with a premise allegedly underlying this video based on a STUDY that PROVES america is de facto an oligarchy, so i guess he can just dishonestly dismiss its findings - because 'surely we don't want 'burger-flippers' to determine us policy - and that is clearly the only logical conclusion from making america a representative democracy again, and the aim of the people who made the video. i am very intelligent.'

again, i've encountered enough bad faith bullshitters here, your tactics are not new to me, you're just camboy without the white nationalism and trump worship...


How boring and predictable. Posting a video that you don't understand and failing to comprehend our political system. It's A LOT easier to get consensus on things that people don't care about. It's nearly impossible to get people to agree on wedge issues. Our system was deliberately designed to fail in regards to wedge issues (which is why I advocate changing it to a system more like yours in terms of representation). Also, why are you up at this hour? Are you some kind of janitor or something?
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Sep 9 2020 10:14pm
Quote (Landmine @ 10 Sep 2020 05:53)
If trump finds out aliens exist and are a potential threat.

Should he A: scream run at the top of his lungs and cause mass panic or B: downplay it and try to figure out the best oath to take?


c: repeatedly insist there are no aliens, and if, just a few that will definitely go away when the weather gets warm. suggest that you can fight them by injecting acid. tell people not to take precautions against alien attacks because they are a democrat hoax to lower his re-election chances. promise on national tv that an anti-alien weapon will be ready in two months, even though every expert tells him it won't be sooner than a year. tell people that dialysis is a good method to make yourself immune to aliens, actively hurting those that actually need that treatment. sell crucial protection against aliens to the highest bidder instead of shipping it where it's needed the most...

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