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Quote (Ghot @ 26 May 2018 03:03)
Yeah I can tell. :/

Australia... 3.0 million sq miles with a population of 24 million
United States... 3.8 million sq miles with a population of 326 million.

When Australia gets 326 million folks, maybe the US will use their methods. You gotta admit that it's a BIT harder to deal with 326 million folks wanting healthcare than it is to deal with 24 million.


sorry, but thats complete bullshit. it's not about the number of people in the healthcare system, it's about financing. more specifically, the key quantities are 1.) costs of treatment and 2.) how much each member of the healthcare system is able/willing to pay and how the costs are distributed.

the united states has massive issues with point 1., the costs of treatment. the secondary issue is the culture of self-responsibility/anti-solidarity sentiment in the US.

unlike europeans and australians and canadians, americans tend to view health insurance a privilege, something that is optional. unlike the rest of the industrialized world, most americans dont think that everyone should have at least basic healthcare coverage and resent any form of pooling of healthcare costs. and when it comes to healthcare, this kind of "everyone fighting for himself"/self-responsibility is driving costs up. the same culture that makes america strong when it comes to business and innovation is what makes their healthcare system suck.

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sorry, but thats complete bullshit. it's not about the number of people in the healthcare system, it's about financing. more specifically, the key quantities are 1.) costs of treatment and 2.) how much each member of the healthcare system is able/willing to pay and how the costs are distributed.

the united states has massive issues with point 1., the costs of treatment. the secondary issue is the culture of self-responsibility/anti-solidarity sentiment in the US.

unlike europeans and australians and canadians, americans tend to view health insurance a privilege, something that is optional. unlike the rest of the industrialized world, most americans dont think that everyone should have at least basic healthcare coverage and resent any form of pooling of healthcare costs.


America would have 18 times the purchasing power aus does.
It would be much cheaper to do for america than australia.
You just need to stand up to the pharma lobby, thats the problem.

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America would have 18 times the purchasing power aus does.


for 18 times the people.

the purchasing power per patient doesnt depend on the population count, it depends on the gdp per capita and the fraction of the gdp that is used on healthcare.
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for 18 times the people.

the purchasing power per patient doesnt depend on the population count, it depends on the gdp per capita and the fraction of the gdp that is used on healthcare.


Ok, lets look at it this way..
My local corner store pays $1.20 for a can of coke..
They serve locals and have a small market.
They charge $2.60 for that coke.

Kfc pays 12 cents for a can of coke..
They serve a million times more people, but they retain that profit margin.
Thats how purchasing power works.
Population 100% does matter.

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Ok, lets look at it this way..
My local corner store pays $1.20 for a can of coke..
They serve locals and have a small market.
They charge $2.60 for that coke.

Kfc pays 12 cents for a can of coke..
They serve a million times more people, but they retain that profit margin.
Thats how purchasing power works.
Population 100% does matter.


it would work the other way as well with a single-payer healthcare system.
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it would work the other way as well with a single-payer healthcare system.


I will put it this way, The cancer scans i get for $280 here average over $6,000 in the us.
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I will put it this way, The cancer scans i get for $280 here average over $6,000 in the us.




Well that's an issue with the docs, the big pharma and the insurance companies, scamming the US citizen.
In this regard I agree. Our healthcare costs are fucked up.

I'm not saying it's impossible because the US has 326 million people. I am saying, that with that may folks, and docs, and pharmaceutical companies, that stuff falls through the cracks a lot more.
Hell, you'd need an entire health care police force to keep up with all the graft.

I'm just saying that just moving to a single payer system will not solve these problems. The problems with the US healthcare are more deeply rooted.
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Lol
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:rofl:
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