you're both being stupid now. without america, ww II could easily have been lost. ofc russia's contribution (especially in terms of manpower) were massive, but america clearly saved most of western europe's ass - not only in the war itself, but even more so after it was finished - just imagine france under russian or german rule, you'd have an economy like poland or romania right now...

and ofc the same is true for france's involvement in america's war of independence - it was massive and most likely changed the overall outcome of the war...

France helped much more usa during their civil war than usa helped france during the second world war.
Not to mention that U.S exist because of France, meaning France helped itself with USA during ww2
Easy rofl. GL with time travel Ghot !

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So take back you black pack and go burn some plastic trash in the street.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 19 2018 02:18pm

Here, cherry pick away.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War

This post was edited by Ghot on May 19 2018 02:42pm

That's not even remotely close to true. While both of our countries were instrumental in helping the other, America sent millions of men to Europe, including hundreds of thousands to liberate France. Liberating France shouldn't have even been necessary, considering your army was superior to the German army of 1940 (on paper, at least).

Right... Because the German economy is so bad lol.

This post was edited by Scaly on May 19 2018 03:54pm

completely missing the point. not only are you conveniently ignoring 50% of the post (because the russian economy IS extremely weak considering their labour force, intellectual potential, and natural resources), but you're also neglecting the obvious part, which is that throughout history, occupied countries have always been considerably worse off than the core land.

and concerning america vs. russia, just look at eastern and western germany for example: we're STILL, almost 30 years after reunification, paying to get the formerly russian controlled part of germany to our level.

in case you've never heard of it, google the 'marshall plan' - an american policy that significantly helped to rebuild european economies (yes, it was probably economically and most certainly politically beneficial to them as well, but compared to how russia exploited their sattelite states, it's a world of difference). your own country profited from it massively as a matter of fact, as did france and germany.



i hope you were just trying to land a quick cheap shot and didn't properly think this through. because if you did, and STILL came to the conclusion that america did NOT significantly influence the outcome and aftermath of ww II in an overall positive way (which was my point, countering sauci's attempt to downplay their role), then you're seriously deluded, sorry...

Long ass post. You put some feels into that huh?

I don't care.

that's what i thought...

actually fender gave some real input for a change and its not bad at all

Well yea. Cos all I did was point out u were wrong about Germany.

People on this forum have real trouble separating their whole argument from individual points. Just because you're wrong about one little thing doesn't mean I'm saying you're wrong about everything.

Although you might be. That's another argument.