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Jul 20 2023 07:36am
Quote (Vastet @ Jul 20 2023 06:34am)
Calm down I'll get to you when it's your turn. Not everyone thinks theists are as high and mighty as theists think of themselves.


works better if you actually make me 'wait........... just saying :)
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Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 09:36)
works better if you actually make me 'wait........... just saying :)


Calm down I'll get to you when it's your turn. Not everyone thinks theists are as high and mighty as theists think of themselves.
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Calm down I'll get to you when it's your turn. Not everyone thinks theists are as high and mighty as theists think of themselves.


ok i get it ill take the high ground again. :)
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Jul 20 2023 07:39am
Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 09:38)
ok i get it ill take the high ground again. :)


I'm just doing exactly what you did calm down I'll get to you when it's your turn.
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Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 04:38)
ah? so you have heard of some?


I literally just said I'd never heard of any. C'mon now I believe in you, you can do better.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 04:38)
ah? science and its self correcting mechanism. the admission of uncertainty.


An admission of uncertainty is honest. It isn't the flaw you think it is. Every theist is just as uncertain as anyone else. Pity so few admit it, thinking it's a weakness.

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outright fraud in science. haeckels embryo drawings is usually were i start. fraud for over 100 years.


So this is like a 160 year old thing and not remotely relevant to the current understanding of evolution. I'm too lazy to research something that doesn't matter so I'll just take your word for it. It was still just a fraud for money, and not rooted in atheism but evolution. The two are not necessarily joined at the hip. The catholic church has accepted evolution which is proof one doesn't need to be an atheist to accept evolution.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 04:38)
how can you stand it? how do you go on? your vaunted institution of science so easily corrupted. by the very religion you hold dearest, atheism.


Why would it bother me? You know it's a fraud, I know it's a fraud, everyone knows it's a fraud. It isn't taught in evolutionary biology, the self correcting nature of science exiled it. Nothing religious about purging that which isn't true. Quite the opposite.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 04:38)
changing it would make it false


What's wrong with acknowledging a fraud is a fraud? See I'd be religious if I tried defending it as a not fraud. That's the difference between science and religious approaches. When religion is obviously wrong, you just pretend it isn't and the world is lying. This is why theists are so inclined to believe in ridiculous conspiracies.

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the bible unchanged. the first thing that struck me in scripture is how much better the world would be if we took on the teachings for Jesus. if we only cared about each other.


If only the teachings of christianity were limited to a few intelligent positions the mythical idol of jesus is believed by some to have been teaching. Unfortunately jesus is barely a footnote in the bible.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 04:38)
naw dude we havent outgrown the bible we have only turned away from it.


And for damn good reason : It doesn't work. It's a lie.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 04:38)
Jesus was a dude that healed and feed people yet he is hated, does that even make sense to you?


Who hates him? I certainly don't. If he was a real person I'd think he was probably one of the only decent people alive at the time. I just don't think he was a real person. It's a nice fairly tale, but it's just a fairly tale.

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John 13:34 KJV: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

do you love people or do you hate them? the bible (scripture) is hard to handle. it challenges a person. its the war of the flesh and spirit. are you going to love or are you going to hate? you cant have both. beginning to understand scripture is like having ones heart tore out. when one begins to know ones self. repentance isnt a light thing.
1 Corinthians 13:12 King James Version
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


I don't hate anyone. I have other feelings but I've never understood actual hatred. I sometimes have even wondered if it was a real thing until I see people who's actions only make sense if hatred is a real thing. It's usually a theist I see displaying hatred. Though I'd be a liar if I pretended I had never seen atheists consumed by it as well.
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Jul 20 2023 09:15am
Quote (addone @ Jul 20 2023 02:33am)
Proof? Or just throwing random hypotheticals while sitting on a toilet?
Here let me try. Spiderman could exist in a different dimension even though it doesn't make sense or is logical... Jesus could be a secret mossad agent from the future created to troll Israelis even though we may not have time travel or a reason believe it actually happened.

See I can make any bs up aswell.


yes those can both be true also

i've heard the argument that absolute omnipotence is not possible because it is not logically consistent such as an omnipotent being cannot produce a married bachelor due to it being logically inconsistent

I am saying an absolute omnipotent being can exist despite logical impossibilities

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Quote (majorblood @ 20 Jul 2023 11:15)
yes those can both be true also

i've heard the argument that absolute omnipotence is not possible because it is not logically consistent such as an omnipotent being cannot produce a married bachelor due to it being logically inconsistent

I am saying an absolute omnipotent being can exist despite logical impossibilities


When it comes to what is possible I'm more concerned with physics than logic. Logic is a method for evaluating data it doesn't do anything by itself.
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Jul 20 2023 09:30am
Quote (Vastet @ Jul 20 2023 06:39am)
I'm just doing exactly what you did calm down I'll get to you when it's your turn.


ah that didnt take long, welcome back ear wiggler thought you were gona teach me a lesson and make me wait n stuff.





Quote (Vastet @ Jul 20 2023 07:06am)
I literally just said I'd never heard of any. C'mon now I believe in you, you can do better.



An admission of uncertainty is honest. It isn't the flaw you think it is. Every theist is just as uncertain as anyone else. Pity so few admit it, thinking it's a weakness.



So this is like a 160 year old thing and not remotely relevant to the current understanding of evolution. I'm too lazy to research something that doesn't matter so I'll just take your word for it. It was still just a fraud for money, and not rooted in atheism but evolution. The two are not necessarily joined at the hip. The catholic church has accepted evolution which is proof one doesn't need to be an atheist to accept evolution.



Why would it bother me? You know it's a fraud, I know it's a fraud, everyone knows it's a fraud. It isn't taught in evolutionary biology, the self correcting nature of science exiled it. Nothing religious about purging that which isn't true. Quite the opposite.



What's wrong with acknowledging a fraud is a fraud? See I'd be religious if I tried defending it as a not fraud. That's the difference between science and religious approaches. When religion is obviously wrong, you just pretend it isn't and the world is lying. This is why theists are so inclined to believe in ridiculous conspiracies.



If only the teachings of christianity were limited to a few intelligent positions the mythical idol of jesus is believed by some to have been teaching. Unfortunately jesus is barely a footnote in the bible.



And for damn good reason : It doesn't work. It's a lie.



Who hates him? I certainly don't. If he was a real person I'd think he was probably one of the only decent people alive at the time. I just don't think he was a real person. It's a nice fairly tale, but it's just a fairly tale.



I don't hate anyone. I have other feelings but I've never understood actual hatred. I sometimes have even wondered if it was a real thing until I see people who's actions only make sense if hatred is a real thing. It's usually a theist I see displaying hatred. Though I'd be a liar if I pretended I had never seen atheists consumed by it as well.


not what you said ear wiggler

its a strength and a weakness

lasted over 100 years and its only the beginning of things you dont know about. it also shows the failure of your 'education
ya they are, special creation or evolution. the new choice is "the aliens dun it"

"self correcting nature of science exiled it" ooOOoOO after 100 years, you go girl
yup a fraud. no you cant say you dont know about any fraud ........and we just getting started.

you making excuses for it like any religious zealot
conspiracies?????? you use that word like its a proper argument,..............how many 'covid masks did you wear?

lol barely a foot note you say . one thing i have learned is atheists dont know squat about scripture 100% of the time

your the liar........ ear wiggler

and yet you just said scripture is a lie

own your legacy atheist
Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered




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Jul 20 2023 09:31am
Quote (Vastet @ Jul 20 2023 08:24am)
When it comes to what is possible I'm more concerned with physics than logic. Logic is a method for evaluating data it doesn't do anything by itself.


How do you use physics without logic?
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Jul 20 2023 11:54am
Quote (majorblood @ 20 Jul 2023 11:31)
How do you use physics without logic?


How do you use logic alone? You going to argue something into or out of existence maybe? Good luck with that.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
ah that didnt take long, welcome back ear wiggler thought you were gona teach me a lesson and make me wait n stuff.


Same to you monkey boy. As always, what you think and what is are 2 separate things.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)

not what you said ear wiggler


Lying monkey boy.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
its a strength and a weakness


No it's just a strength.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
lasted over 100 years and its only the beginning of things you dont know about.


Irrelevant. It was rejected decades ago. Proving my point. Science > Religion.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
it also shows the failure of your 'education


Nope. You still haven't demonstrated a fraud perpetuated by the cause of atheism. You're only demonstrating your own inability to back up your claims.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)

ya they are, special creation or evolution. the new choice is "the aliens dun it"


wut

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
"self correcting nature of science exiled it" ooOOoOO after 100 years, you go girl


Better than your bible lol. I'd rather be wrong for 100 years than 2000.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
yup a fraud. no you cant say you dont know about any fraud ........and we just getting started.


No we haven't gotten started I'm still waiting for your example of fraud perpetuated by the cause of atheism.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
you making excuses for it like any religious zealot


Says the religious zealot making excuses.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)

conspiracies?????? you use that word like its a proper argument,..............how many 'covid masks did you wear?


No just pointing out to the audience why you're so crazy.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)

lol barely a foot note you say . one thing i have learned is atheists dont know squat about scripture 100% of the time


I've forgotten more than you'll ever know, monkey boy.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
your the liar........ ear wiggler


Monkey boy projection.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
and yet you just said scripture is a lie


Because it is.

Quote (TiStuff @ 20 Jul 2023 11:30)
own your legacy atheist
Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered


Mostly theists. Self owned.
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