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Oct 15 2023 04:01pm
Quote (Landmine @ Oct 15 2023 04:53pm)
So a German, a frenchie and a kkk member. Not surprising they all have the same view huh?


KKK, see what I mean....
Try laying off the pejoratives. ;)
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Oct 15 2023 04:03pm
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KKK, see what I mean....
Try laying off the pejoratives. ;)


You openly admit that you’re racist to black Americans. I didn’t have to point out which one you are out of the three. You openly answered when called. Like a dog to a whistle.

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Oct 15 2023 04:09pm
Quote (Landmine @ Oct 15 2023 05:03pm)
You openly admit that you’re racist to black Americans. I didn’t have to point out which one you are out of the three. You openly answered when called. Like a dog to a whistle.


Being racist =/= KKK

Besides you are racist too.
Want me to prove it?

Also, I'm not French or German.
Don't need a dog whistle to figure that out.
Hope this helps.

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Oct 15 2023 04:12pm
Quote (sirthom @ Oct 15 2023 04:09pm)
Being racist =/= KKK

Besides you are racist too.
Want me to prove it?

Also, I'm not French or German.
Don't need a dog whistle to figure that out.
Hope this helps.


It was a metaphor and you still answered.
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Oct 15 2023 04:13pm
Quote (Landmine @ Oct 15 2023 05:12pm)
It was a metaphor and you still answered.


Lies....
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Oct 15 2023 04:17pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 15 2023 01:22pm)
I make no equivocation that Hamas needs to be dealt with. There is a world of options available between doing what Israel is currently doing and "doing nothing".


i was just curious. fyi "dont repay evil with evil" is from christianity
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Oct 15 2023 04:18pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Oct 15 2023 03:17pm)
i was just curious. fyi "dont repay evil with evil" is from christianity


I think the solution here is quite simple. Whether the people in power will make the necessary steps to achieve it is a different question though.
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Oct 15 2023 04:21pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 15 Oct 2023 23:08)
Let's say that Israel were to more formally recognize the borders of Palestine, be supportive of them having a state, revert all prior settlements and make a commitment to stop new ones, and were to provide (with assistance from the Internal community) aid and reparations to Palestine.

There would still be Hamas, who has a desire to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. What is to be done by Israel in that situation?


i have repeatedly stated, in this very thread, that i'm in favour of eliminating hamas, the most radical and militant voices within palestine, prior to ending the occupation.

let's not forget that a crucial part in them gaining that much power and control over gaza was netanyahu deliberately propping them up - something that has been common knowledge in israel for a long time, and an aspect you see our resident pro-apartheid posters avoid like the plague.

he did that because he (correctly) calculated that their attacks would keep the desire to push for an end to the occupation within the moderate part of israel's population down - which is a declared goal of his. he knowingly sacrificed israeli lives in order to achieve his personal and political goals. just to be clear, i'm not saying he's happy about the terror attack of last week. the sheer size and brutality of it was likely not something he factored in, but it is undeniable that he treated hamas as an asset, and saw to it that moderate voices within both palestine and israel never rose to the power they had in '95, when an extremist orthodox jew murdered the moderate prime minister of israel, after netanyahu and his party railed for months against him selling out israel, basically putting a massive target on his back.

will there still be people who lost family and friends to the occupation and resent israel? will there still be the possibility of some of them radicalising to a degree that they would sacrifice their own lives to hurt those that kept them occupied for so long? very likely, yes. but would the palestinian population as a whole have a desire or let alone the means to commit a genocide on jews in israel, or whatever hypotherical horror scenario the occupiers use in order to justify their ACTUAL crimes against humanity? no, definitely not. i mean just look at the demographic data. it's really absurd...

also, it is completely unrealistic and ridiculous to expect or demand that the palestinian people can only regain their freedom once not a single one of them hates israel, especially if you keep in mind how many of them died during the occupation.
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Oct 15 2023 04:24pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 15 2023 01:52pm)
The issue should not be "who was there first"
The issue is that they are both there now. Israelis and Palestinians.
And the question ought to be: What prevents them from living in peace?

Is it Islamic fundamentalism that promotes jihad and martyrdom?
Is it Israeli ultra nationalism compounded by a collective xenophobia on the part of the Jewish psyche?
Is it purely about ownership and control of resources?

Probably in part all of the above.

The answer won't be discovered by far right zombies or religious fundamentalists.


whose the guru you consult?

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Oct 15 2023 04:26pm
Quote (fender @ Oct 15 2023 03:21pm)
i have repeatedly stated, in this very thread, that i'm in favour of eliminating hamas, the most radical and militant voices within palestine, prior to ending the occupation.

let's not forget that a crucial part in them gaining that much power and control over gaza was netanyahu deliberately propping them up - something that has been common knowledge in israel for a long time, and an aspect you see our resident pro-apartheid posters avoid like the plague.

he did that because he (correctly) calculated that their attacks would keep the desire to push for an end to the occupation within the moderate part of israel's population down - which is a declared goal of his. he knowingly sacrificed israeli lives in order to achieve his personal and political goals. just to be clear, i'm not saying he's happy about the terror attack of last week. the sheer size and brutality of it was likely not something he factored in, but it is undeniable that he treated hamas as an asset, and saw to it that moderate voices within both palestine and israel never rose to the power they had in '95, when an extremist orthodox jew murdered the moderate prime minister of israel, after netanyahu and his party railed for months against him selling out israel, basically putting a massive target on his back.

will there still be people who lost family and friends to the occupation and resent israel? will there still be the possibility of some of them radicalising to a degree that they would sacrifice their own lives to hurt those that kept them occupied for so long? very likely, yes. but would the palestinian population as a whole have a desire or let alone the means to commit a genocide on jews in israel, or whatever hypotherical horror scenario the occupiers use in order to justify their ACTUAL crimes against humanity? no, definitely not. i mean just look at the demographic data. it's really absurd...

also, it is completely unrealistic and ridiculous to expect or demand that the palestinian people can only regain their freedom once not a single one of them hates israel, especially if you keep in mind how many of them died during the occupation.


I don't question that you are in favor of eliminating Hamas. I'm just curious what ideas people have should Israel take accountability for what it needs to take accountability for, in terms of what then should be done about Hamas. Even if Israel did as I painted in the previous post, Hamas will still want to attack Israel and wipe Jews from the region.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Oct 15 2023 04:27pm
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