Quote (Handcuffs @ 15 Oct 2023 23:08)
Let's say that Israel were to more formally recognize the borders of Palestine, be supportive of them having a state, revert all prior settlements and make a commitment to stop new ones, and were to provide (with assistance from the Internal community) aid and reparations to Palestine.
There would still be Hamas, who has a desire to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. What is to be done by Israel in that situation?
i have repeatedly stated, in this very thread, that i'm in favour of eliminating hamas, the most radical and militant voices within palestine, prior to ending the occupation.
let's not forget that a crucial part in them gaining that much power and control over gaza was netanyahu deliberately propping them up - something that has been common knowledge in israel for a long time, and an aspect you see our resident pro-apartheid posters avoid like the plague.
he did that because he (correctly) calculated that their attacks would keep the desire to push for an end to the occupation within the moderate part of israel's population down - which is a declared goal of his. he knowingly sacrificed israeli lives in order to achieve his personal and political goals. just to be clear, i'm not saying he's happy about the terror attack of last week. the sheer size and brutality of it was likely not something he factored in, but it is undeniable that he treated hamas as an asset, and saw to it that moderate voices within both palestine and israel never rose to the power they had in '95, when an extremist orthodox jew murdered the moderate prime minister of israel, after netanyahu and his party railed for months against him selling out israel, basically putting a massive target on his back.
will there still be people who lost family and friends to the occupation and resent israel? will there still be the possibility of some of them radicalising to a degree that they would sacrifice their own lives to hurt those that kept them occupied for so long? very likely, yes. but would the palestinian population as a whole have a desire or let alone the means to commit a genocide on jews in israel, or whatever hypotherical horror scenario the occupiers use in order to justify their ACTUAL crimes against humanity? no, definitely not. i mean just look at the demographic data. it's really absurd...
also, it is completely unrealistic and ridiculous to expect or demand that the palestinian people can only regain their freedom once not a single one of them hates israel, especially if you keep in mind how many of them died during the occupation.