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I guess as long as you weren't personally butchered in the genocides in the Americas during colonization, forced famines in the Indian subcontinent by the British during WW2, anywhere in Africa but particularly in the Congo and in the West for those Antwerp diamonds. Oh, brutal dictatorships throughout the Middle East, the creation of a fascist Israeli state, butchering of the Vietnamese by the Brits, French, and Americans, apartheid in South Africa by the Dutch Settlers aka Afrikaners, plus all the environmental disasters inflicted from the continued rape and pillage of our planet.

I'm not sure if people's lives throughout Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Pacific Islands, etc, are any better with us. I can't imagine indigenous Hawaiians being happy to have lived lives of plenty, free of economic hardship only to become niggers when their island was annexed in 1959 and their new rulers came with cans of SPAM and W2 forms. "But Skinned, even though life is shit for the majority of people who have traditionally come from there, there are some really really nice resorts there now for them to serve white people at, and that is objectively good and not exploitative."

Lol, you have a really peculiar way of looking at things. I guess having your culture, people, and way of life face annihilation is cool as long as some of the people get the iPhone in a couple generations. Totally fucking worth it.

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The Chinese don't share your world view. Neither do the Indians, Koreans, or Japanese.

The Philippinos definitely don't, not does any one of the billions alive today because of modern technology.

You're nostalgic for a pretty hard period of human existence. I'm sure dying of dysentery was fun.

I think its fantastically racist that liberals think that non-whites should embrace their "tradition", reject technology, and live short, brutal lives just so the left can marvel at them like animals at the zoo.

They have a right to technological development independent of nostalgic fantasies.

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That isn't what I'm saying at all. You completely misunderstand.

Yes, there are silver linings in many disasters, but your suggestion that these societies wouldn't have advanced on their own or engaged the quickly shrinking world without white paternalism is what is fantastically racist.

I'm just nostalgic for a time when things had sacredness and intrinsic meaning.

Just because white people had technological advantages, it doesn't give them free pass for ethical transgressions and treating their brown cousins as less than human, using racial science to justify their imperialism.

http://web.stanford.edu/group/progressive/cgi-bin/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/AdamImage1.jpg

Pictured: Not racist.

Poor Chinese kid can't even get in :(

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They wouldn't have. It has nothing to do with whites as white, but the circumstances that led to technological development in Europe weren't present. I can't say if things would have changed given a few centuries, but European development started back in the 13th century and began in earnest in the 16th. China is perhaps the exception, but the rest of the world was a long way off.

I think that Europeans acted just like any other historical group, and I don't think you can blame them any more than you can blame African slave traders or Chinese aggression against Vietnam.

Europe obtained a decisive strength advantage and exploited it, this is no different than how your natives were acting at the time. I think its racist to hold whites a higher standard, as if whites are somehow more culpable as the "civilized" race.

Edit: On the picture, it's ironic that racism is what killed the same American Imperialism that's now being labeled as racist. As far as words have meaning the natives were uncivilized, and politically they'd be a far happier place if we hadn't let racism get in the way of bringing them fully into our union.